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Post by savryn »

pclmulqdq wrote: post #250
that_guy_iain wrote: post #45

The thing is, it's hard to feel bad for kiwifarms. They seem to be one of the worst sites there are. But freedom of speech/expression/opinions aren't about defending those who speech/expression/opinions you like but all of them. Personally, I think the site being shutdown is a good thing. But it's hard to look at the fact a few corporations can remove a website from the internet and think this is good for a free and…

Kiwifarms looks like it is essentially a technical evolution of the tabloid. Tabloid media has been doxxing people and saying really terrible things about them forever. It's hard to feel sympathetic for people like tabloid media, but tabloid media still has a place in society.

when 'all the news that's fit to print' stops reporting what goes against their upper crust values, you need to look in the gutters for the truth.

There are several times where the goddamn Daily Mail was the fastest quick and dirty way to get the facts, while the fancy papers avoided, deflected, or put on their three pairs of "systemic" eyeglasses before telling the reader the where, when, whys of what's happened.

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Post by concordDance »

phatfish wrote: post #309
concordDance wrote: post #67

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I treat these sites as cannaries. As long as they exist I can be confident that censorship isn't too bad, as they start to get shut down I start to worry. First the came for the X and I was not an X etc etc...

This is just civilized society finally catching up with criminals on the internet, the internet as a tolerant forum for information exchange and discussion was lost as soon as serious money got involved. Hopefully more of them are taken offline.

I expect the vast vast majority of kiwifarms posters were not criminals, just arseholes.

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Post by antiufo »

pc86 wrote: post #313
antiufo wrote: post #290

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Trans woman here, both 1) access to HRT for minors and 2) HRT without medical/parental gatekeeping are widely supported positions in the trans community (which I also endorse). Rationale for 1. It's widely supported by the medical community and by scientific studies, and helps improve the quality of life of people with gender dysphoria. Rationale for 2. Gatekeeping traditionally consist in telling a psychiatrist anec…

What is the difference between "medical gatekeeping" and requiring a prescription? Because over-the-counter hormone therapy (regardless of the intent or reasoning behind it) seems like an all around bad idea.

Nothing bad per se in requiring a prescription. What I'm talking about is the multiple psychologist/psychiatrist sessions where they get to decide whether you are allowed to start HRT mostly based on your adherence to sex stereotypes.

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Post by neonsunset »

The problem with salem witch trials du jour so fervently pushed by certain groups of people is closing to its demise with every case like this. The advantage of emotionally immature people (regardless of their actual age) having too much time on their hands forcing their narrative and banning any discourse that they don't like will eventually cease when the majority of people will realize that they are, well, in a majority, and it's time to put stop to this madness.

In other news, http://uquusqsaaad66cvub4473csdu4uu7ahxou3zqc35fpw5d4ificedz... is up.

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Post by systemvoltage »

pc86 wrote: post #313
antiufo wrote: post #290

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Trans woman here, both 1) access to HRT for minors and 2) HRT without medical/parental gatekeeping are widely supported positions in the trans community (which I also endorse). Rationale for 1. It's widely supported by the medical community and by scientific studies, and helps improve the quality of life of people with gender dysphoria. Rationale for 2. Gatekeeping traditionally consist in telling a psychiatrist anec…

What is the difference between "medical gatekeeping" and requiring a prescription? Because over-the-counter hormone therapy (regardless of the intent or reasoning behind it) seems like an all around bad idea.

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Post by philippejara »

Kiwifarm's owner statement: https://web.archive.org/web/20220905182626/https://poa.st/no...

This whole thing is kinda fascinating, if not extremely scary. After learning about the situation from the last couple threads here and going down the rabbit hole of sources, the future of the internet seems pretty sad... If cloudflare doesn't reinstate the website after dealing with said immediate danger they claimed was the reason to remove its protection it just shows how hard you can shut someone down by just twitter outrage.

If the threat really was so dire, and if there really was something of the sort sure i can see allowing the obvious DDOS in the background go thru and take the website down. But not reinstating it after the time they were claiming to buy by doing it was already bought it means if you scream loud enough on twitter, even while having an obvious army of arsonists behind you, the firefighters will just stop serving said target.

Sure, cloudflare is a private company and all that, nobody questions it, but it doesn't make it any less unsettling.

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Post by bioemerl »

good-point-sir wrote: post #328
antiufo wrote: post #290

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Trans woman here, both 1) access to HRT for minors and 2) HRT without medical/parental gatekeeping are widely supported positions in the trans community (which I also endorse). Rationale for 1. It's widely supported by the medical community and by scientific studies, and helps improve the quality of life of people with gender dysphoria. Rationale for 2. Gatekeeping traditionally consist in telling a psychiatrist anec…

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I don't think either of you are correct.

Doctors and parents should be involved in every single one of these kids decisions, but if the doctors and parents are involved, it's their job to care for their kids. If they decide their kids need to be helped in some way, they should be free to make that decision.

Doctor oversight for the medical industry already exists and is already a very strong structure, and it will adapt over time to keep kids safe from malpractice. You are probably misinformed relative to the experts on these issues.

It is my belief that unregulated handing of medicine to kids is not good. Especially having seen how some of these groups on discord work.

I also think that barring kids from potentially helpful medicine is also not good. You will genuinely hurt people by doing this by denying them care that could save their lives.

This is a place where I think pragmatism is best, and you need to set your biases aside as much as you possibly can. Leave things to the people who are involved with them everyday, and look after your own life with what you see.

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Post by antiufo »

objclxt wrote: post #322
antiufo wrote: post #290

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Trans woman here, both 1) access to HRT for minors and 2) HRT without medical/parental gatekeeping are widely supported positions in the trans community (which I also endorse). Rationale for 1. It's widely supported by the medical community and by scientific studies, and helps improve the quality of life of people with gender dysphoria. Rationale for 2. Gatekeeping traditionally consist in telling a psychiatrist anec…

> HRT without medical/parental gatekeeping are widely supported positions in the trans community It's a widely supported position of the trans community that minors should have access to home-made HRT without any quality control or regulation? Because honestly, I feel like if you're taking hormone replacement therapy you want some kind of guarantee of quality.

This was the first time I heard about "homemade" HRT. But proper HRT can be easily bought on online pharmacies. An index of them is available for example at https://diyhrt.wiki/ or https://hrt.cafe/

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Post by concordDance »

Zamaamiro wrote: post #182
concordDance wrote: post #67

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I treat these sites as cannaries. As long as they exist I can be confident that censorship isn't too bad, as they start to get shut down I start to worry. First the came for the X and I was not an X etc etc...

What about the freedom of speech of all those they harass and dox?

Harassment (e.g. attempting to communicate with someone with the intent to upset them) is indeed bad for discourse and should be stopped. However, talking to other likeminded people about how much X sucks and you hate them would not be harassment.

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Post by flumpcakes »

antiufo wrote: post #290
irthomasthomas wrote: post #273

I didn't know about this site until yesterday. After reading the thread that got them took down, I know one thing, I will not be letting my children near discord. I mean, if this is how people act in public[0], I hate to imagine what kind of stuff they are doing in a private discord, away from parents prying eyes. There's no heroes in this story. [0] Bathtub hormones being sold to minors in bright packaging featuring…

Trans woman here, both 1) access to HRT for minors and 2) HRT without medical/parental gatekeeping are widely supported positions in the trans community (which I also endorse). Rationale for 1. It's widely supported by the medical community and by scientific studies, and helps improve the quality of life of people with gender dysphoria. Rationale for 2. Gatekeeping traditionally consist in telling a psychiatrist anec…

Anyone (anyone regardless of anything) who said they believed giving any medicine to a child without parental consent, even implying subterfuge, to me is extremely dangerous and I would pull my child out of any activity/school/club if there was someone there with those views in a responsible role of the children.

For that reason I think attitudes like this do more harm for the trans community than good. If I knew a trans person with these views I would do everything possible to avoid any contact with them and my children.

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