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Re: Ask HN: Firefox connection problems after enabling DoH?

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Post by patrec »

michaelanckaert wrote: post #47

It is time for Mozilla to stop messing around. They are losing user trust extremely fast. A silent FireFox update that cripples the browser? No active update was done since yesterday and this morning: a broken browser. Please stop non-browser development and let me pay a monthly fee for a decent browser! I don’t want a VPN service, bookmark readers or other crap. I want Mozilla to defend the open web and create an op…

> Please stop non-browser development and let me pay a monthly fee for a decent browser!

Unless you are a billionaire, you can't afford to. Developing a decent browser takes enormous amounts of money, good luck funding that of voluntary donations or monthly fees if in most technical aspects superior free alternatives exist. Firefox is failing badly on a few hundred millions a year; I'm sure you could do better with a CEO who isn't just a parasitical non-entity, but I doubt better enough to make that idea viable.

> This isn't just a rant, it's also a cry to let people explicitly support browser-only development via donations, subscriptions and show our support.

A pipe dream -- the web is a dead end. If you want something that can live off donation support (as opposed to selling off its users as cattle), you need a new set of protocols. The whole web stack is such a clusterfuck of layers upon layers of crap with one dominant player who can always add more of it when it suits them to slow down competitors (including bugs you need to replicate for compatibility purposes) that there is not the slightest chance of some grassroots alternative emerging.

Re: Ask HN: Firefox connection problems after enabling DoH?

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Post by smcl »

skinkestek wrote: post #313
smcl wrote: post #309

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Ah I think you're mistaken. We're talking about when you open a new tab in Firefox the default landing page has a little grid showing commonly accessed sites as well as an additional search/address bar which says "Search with google or enter address" We have the same feelings on this - I also would prefer an explicitly separate search bar and address bar. Edit: or maybe I'm understanding Ekaros' comment incorrectly?…

Aha, very possibly I'm mistaken. I wondered why anyone still saw the search bar without explicitly enabling it.

Well I'm glad it happened, otherwise I wouldn't have learned that it was actually possible to separate these two bars in Firefox. So thanks for that :D

Re: Ask HN: Firefox connection problems after enabling DoH?

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Post by delijati »

jbaiter wrote: post #6

What worked for me was disabling HTTP3 support with the 'network.http.http3.enabled' key in about:config and then restarting Firefox. Seems like it's stuck in the 'SocketThread', repeatedly doing this: 2022-01-13 08:20:53.075936 UTC - [Parent 4106991: Socket Thread]: V/nsHttp Http3Stream::OnReadSegment count=333 state=4 [this=7f6e295623a0]

I started in in `safe-mode` and assumed it was a addon that did block all traffic. Anyway Thanks

Re: Ask HN: Firefox connection problems after enabling DoH?

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Post by foxfluff »

semi-extrinsic wrote: post #318
jacquesm wrote: post #288

Earlier quoted context omitted.

My browser isn't supposed to have any 'backend services'. Especially not backend services that I did not explicitly opt in to.

It's not a backend service on your browser, it's on whatever webpage you tried to visit.

This bug can be triggered without visiting any webpage at all.

Re: Ask HN: Firefox connection problems after enabling DoH?

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Post by conradfr »

Semaphor wrote: post #63
jacquesm wrote: post #59

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Oh wow, thank you so much for this. I've been trying to troubleshoot this for hours but because my browser didn't work I never thought of checking HN to see if other people had this as well. Another score for automatic updates I guess.

As others said, this happened to all kinds of versions, not just 96.

I'm on Firefox 90 and yes it suddenly stopped working in the middle of a Youtube video.

Thanks anyone in this thread who helped!

Re: Ask HN: Firefox connection problems after enabling DoH?

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Post by ItsBob »

Just as another anecdote, mine failed to launch a local website I was debugging. That's my first time opening FF today.

I opened JetBrains Rider (on Fedora 35) and debugged my site (Alt + F5) and it launched to a blank page with FF locked up.

So this isn't to do with ME specificially trying to connect to an external service.

Re: Ask HN: Firefox connection problems after enabling DoH?

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Post by jiggawatts »

rossmohax wrote: post #320
jiggawatts wrote: post #310

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I've spent the last 3 days angrily submitting bug ticket after bug ticket, including one for Firefox. I just got a new laptop, and the amount of things that get shipped totally broken is just crazy. Windows 11 almost but not entirely broke HDR. It kinda-sorta works for some things, sometimes , but most apps that used to work with HDR back in Windows 10 just can't any more and are forced to use SDR with sRGB gamut onl…

Isn't test automation and demise of manual QA are just consequences of large increase in the test surface? Many more features, greater hardware variance, changes to underneth tech stacks, etc all lead to a combinatorial explosion of what to be tested and manual QA wont be able to cover any significant portion of it, unless James Webb like money are spent on QA.

I think it's a lack of ownership and craftsmanship. You need that grumpy old master in charge smacking the apprentices on the back of the head when they don't live up to his standards.

I'm very lucky to have grown up and gotten most of my work experience in that kind of environment. I was expected to aim for perfection, and punished without fail if I didn't achieve it. No half-measures. Do it right, or don't do it at all.

There are people shipping code right now with 100 million to 1 billion users where they didn't even attempt to get it right. Knowingly, on purpose, they aimed to just barely pass the test. To meet the letter but not the spirit of the requirement. To build something that technically works, but not in practice. Make something that they wouldn't use themselves.

This doesn't matter to them. They make the little test suite indicator turn into a green check mark, then it's time to clock out and go home.

"Job done boss."

And the boss never checked that it was truly done either. He's got no standards himself that the work needs to meet.

The build system reports green, all is well in the world.

"Ship it!"

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