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OSHA to require employers with 100 employees vaccinate or test workforce

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Re: OSHA to require employers with 100 employees vaccinate or test workforce

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Post by steverb »

bedhead wrote: post #292
halfmatthalfcat wrote: post #267

Earlier quoted context omitted.

We’ve had vaccine mandates (set by the states) to attend school for what, 50 years? Arguments like this are so tired and miss the forest for the trees. Maybe think of the healthcare professionals so burnt out and quitting because people are so indignant to get the shot and end up taking valuable hospital space. I’d take forcing these hold outs (and trampling on their fREeDoMs) to get the shot in exchange for a functi…

You’re right that some schools have had a vaccine mandate. But neither the private nor public sector ever have. And we didn’t have the accompanying dystopian nightmare as a reality and further threat. So I would say your argument is tired and misses the point entirely, aside from being so brazenly naive to fall for the “if only these last few holdouts got vaccinated everything would be normal!” straw man. Keep on goo…

I mean you're correct, in that since > 80% of Americans got all their required vaccines in childhood there was no need to mandate it for adults, but it's a very oblique sort of correctness.

And yes, if everyone who was unvaccinated went out today and got the vaccine, the COVID infection rate would drop precipitously.

Re: OSHA to require employers with 100 employees vaccinate or test workforce

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Post by longthrow1 »

betterunix2 wrote: post #282
_fat_santa wrote: post #250

Good. Imagine all the people I would infect while at work! looks around at empty home office

...nevermind all the other people you interact with in your life.

So, not an osha issue then.

Re: OSHA to require employers with 100 employees vaccinate or test workforce

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Post by [deleted] »

jtbayly wrote: post #319
enkid wrote: post #255

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This exact argument could be used to push back against environmental standards, occupational safety standards, or drinking water standards. I don't want cholera outbreaks and I don't want the health system to collapse because of COVID.

No it can't be compared to OSHA or drinking water standards. For people to drink clean water requires a treatment plant to be operating correctly, not for every person that drinks water to be treated with a shot.

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Re: OSHA to require employers with 100 employees vaccinate or test workforce

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Post by SiempreViernes »

lotsofpulp wrote: post #289
tibbydudeza wrote: post #120

Our largest healthcare provider has already mandated vaccines for their staff and insurance companies are now following suit because they got hammered with life insurance payouts for 2020 and first half of 2021. Waiting for retailers to announce this as well at some point.

Unless the healthcare provider is also selling life insurance policies, I do not understand how they would have “got hammered”.

I though this shift of "healthcare" from meaning the actual doctors to the insurer that is paying for the treatment was pretty well established?

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Post by Vinnl »

dkdk8283 wrote: post #304

I can’t get the vaccine due to a medical condition but I was sick and recovered - having some form of natural immunity. These policies are absurd and unfairly punish people like me.

I haven't looked into the specific policy, but in the vast majority of cases policies like this have exceptions for e.g. people who can't get vaccinated due to medical conditions, but those exceptions do not get reported because they're exceptions and not relevant to most readers.

(Especially since such policies often have as an explicit goal to provide protection for people who can't get vaccinated.)

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Post by halfmatthalfcat »

ctrlp wrote: post #321
halfmatthalfcat wrote: post #267

Earlier quoted context omitted.

We’ve had vaccine mandates (set by the states) to attend school for what, 50 years? Arguments like this are so tired and miss the forest for the trees. Maybe think of the healthcare professionals so burnt out and quitting because people are so indignant to get the shot and end up taking valuable hospital space. I’d take forcing these hold outs (and trampling on their fREeDoMs) to get the shot in exchange for a functi…

Arguments for thinking of the burnt-out healthcare professionals are tired and miss the forest for the trees. There are many reasons for healthcare professionals feeling burnt-out that pre-date Covid and were exacerbated by it. Where were your tears for them then? You clearly don't value your liberty. (Maybe you don't even understand what it means, given your mockery.) Liberty refers to your right to govern yourself.…

The liberty you think ever existed never did, look around. All the "freedom" advocates against the vax just pick and choose how they define freedom. There's no place in the world you can live as a sovereign citizen, so I'd suggest you get on board or buy a boat and live out on open water because that's the only place you'll be "free".

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Post by pseudo0 »

TOMDM wrote: post #287
enkid wrote: post #255

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This exact argument could be used to push back against environmental standards, occupational safety standards, or drinking water standards. I don't want cholera outbreaks and I don't want the health system to collapse because of COVID.

If it weren't already standard, there is no way we'd be able to mandate seat belts today. EDIT: I'm pro seatbelt just in case that needed clarifying

If you want an interesting read, check out the battle over seatbelt interlock devices. Optional seatbelts (with perhaps fines for non-use depending on the jurisdiction) was the compromise between none at all and cars not functioning without them being in use.

https://www.history.com/news/seat-belt-laws-resistance

Re: OSHA to require employers with 100 employees vaccinate or test workforce

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Post by steverb »

ctrlp wrote: post #321
halfmatthalfcat wrote: post #267

Earlier quoted context omitted.

We’ve had vaccine mandates (set by the states) to attend school for what, 50 years? Arguments like this are so tired and miss the forest for the trees. Maybe think of the healthcare professionals so burnt out and quitting because people are so indignant to get the shot and end up taking valuable hospital space. I’d take forcing these hold outs (and trampling on their fREeDoMs) to get the shot in exchange for a functi…

Arguments for thinking of the burnt-out healthcare professionals are tired and miss the forest for the trees. There are many reasons for healthcare professionals feeling burnt-out that pre-date Covid and were exacerbated by it. Where were your tears for them then? You clearly don't value your liberty. (Maybe you don't even understand what it means, given your mockery.) Liberty refers to your right to govern yourself.…

To trot out an old saw: "Your rights end and the tip of my nose." You do not have a Deity-given right to infect other people with disease.

Re: OSHA to require employers with 100 employees vaccinate or test workforce

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Post by lotsofpulp »

SiempreViernes wrote: post #334
lotsofpulp wrote: post #289

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Unless the healthcare provider is also selling life insurance policies, I do not understand how they would have “got hammered”.

I though this shift of "healthcare" from meaning the actual doctors to the insurer that is paying for the treatment was pretty well established?

Health insurers do not "payout" for deaths, those are life insurers, and they are not the same entities in the US.
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