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Re: Google Offices to Mandate Vaccines

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Post by shaftway »

endisneigh wrote: post #157
jkingsman wrote: post #143

Earlier quoted context omitted.

HIPAA (not HIPPA) is only relevant in terms of your health care provider(s) disclosing information. A company is completely free to demand proof of vaccination records xor refuse to employ you (and as long as they're demanding it from you and not your health care provider [without your permission], there is no precedent being set here and HIPAA doesn't even enter the picture). As a general rule of thumb (barring some…

interesting - I thought either HIPAA (thanks for the correction), FMLA or ADA protected employees from being asked about medical information that could result in they being discriminated against in regards to employment things.

There are two easy ways around this.

The first is a note from your doctor. My kids' school requires vaccination unless you bring in a note from your doctor claiming that you have an underlying condition preventing you from being vaccinated. It doesn't have to say what the condition is. Of course there are some doctors that will write up these notes from anyone, and some parents who will seek those out. But the work involved in finding one cuts down on the number of people who will do it.

The second is that the vaccination requirement is only for people who work in the office. You don't need to be vaccinated to work remotely, so allow people who don't want to disclose information to work remotely. Again, this can be gamed by people who don't want to return. But I think that over time the remote crowd will see fewer interesting projects which means fewer opportunities for promotion, making that option less desirable.

Re: Google Offices to Mandate Vaccines

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Post by lossolo »

amrcnimgrnt wrote: post #240

I don't mean this polemically, or rhetorically. I'm honestly asking because I've given this some thought, and it's not entirely obvious to me. "Who are the unvaccinated hurting, exactly?" It appears to me that a pandemic of the unvaccinated harms the unvaccinated. "Those who cant get the vaccines" Now, some people will point out that some can't get the vaccines. Except that ppl with HIV, GBS, autoimmune etc are all e…

> It appears to me that a pandemic of the unvaccinated harms the unvaccinated.

I'm vaccinated with two shots but I can't go on holidays because some people do not want to get vaccinated, I need to go out in mask, business of my friend has lower income now because of covid limitations. On next wave hospitals in my country will get overrun again which means a lot of other vaccinated people will die because of untreated medical issues, we will get another lockdown, which will hurt vaccinated people financially.

Re: Google Offices to Mandate Vaccines

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Post by dagsdgfhdgdj »

rolobio wrote: post #230
yupper32 wrote: post #180

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For what reason? Arbitrary control? Why does the right think that every government mandate that they don't understand (masks are the big one) are just about arbitrary control over people? It seems like a very common theme.

Why would they do it? They will do it because they are trying to save lives. They think they are doing harm by allowing people NOT to take the vaccine. After all, how many people will die by unvaccinated people spreading the disease? They have a duty to save other humans! That is what I think they believe. My problem is that this is an overstep. They should stay in their lane, rather than mandating the health of thei…

> If someone at Google died from drunk driving, would it be fair to ban alcohol? Of course not.

I would expect Google to ban alcohol consumption at work if this causes safety hazards. So the answer is yes.

Re: Google Offices to Mandate Vaccines

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Post by nezt0 »

As others have pointed out, the long term side effects of this vaccine could take years to fully be known. To make matters worse, it's not a traditional exogenous antigen vaccine -- it's literally synthetic biology... an entirely man made RNA sequence. The idea that the long term side effects of a therapeutic that uses genetic engineer at this level are known is absolutely laughable. They are just setting the precedent for future mandated gene therapy injections (which will grow more complex, and are essentially little biological computer programs).

The future is here folks. We live in a science fiction movie. I expect full blown societal collapse soon if the totalitarian take over plan doesn't work. Maybe folks should have listened to Peter Thiel in 2019 when he called Google treasonous.

Re: Google Offices to Mandate Vaccines

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Post by amrcnimgrnt »

lossolo wrote: post #332
amrcnimgrnt wrote: post #240

I don't mean this polemically, or rhetorically. I'm honestly asking because I've given this some thought, and it's not entirely obvious to me. "Who are the unvaccinated hurting, exactly?" It appears to me that a pandemic of the unvaccinated harms the unvaccinated. "Those who cant get the vaccines" Now, some people will point out that some can't get the vaccines. Except that ppl with HIV, GBS, autoimmune etc are all e…

> It appears to me that a pandemic of the unvaccinated harms the unvaccinated. I'm vaccinated with two shots but I can't go on holidays because some people do not want to get vaccinated, I need to go out in mask, business of my friend has lower income now because of covid limitations. On next wave hospitals in my country will get overrun again which means a lot of other vaccinated people will die because of untreated…

Those are really just issues with your government and their decision about what are the appropriate responses. It's not the unvaccinated that are hurting you here, but the government response to them. If the unvaccinated are fine dying and not killing those who fear COVID, why have all the restrictions?

Imagine if the government told you you can't wear a short skirt because a religious extremist might stab you. In what world does is this edict fair? And to make this comparison fair, this case, the religious extremist is also wearing a short skirt!

Re: Google Offices to Mandate Vaccines

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Post by makomk »

ericmay wrote: post #162
tome wrote: post #64

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1) That's not really a convincing response. There were only two viral vector vaccines ever approved for human use before 2020, both for ebola I believe, and therefore probably not widely administered. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Viral_vector_vaccine 2. Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence. [Full disclosure: I have had one shot of BioNTech and am waiting for my second.]

> 1) That's not really a convincing response. There were only two viral vector vaccines ever approved for human use before 2020, both for ebola I believe, and therefore probably not widely administered. So the concern isn't mRNA or is it? > 2. Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence. Sure, but it also means you need some sort of empirical or a priori starting point. There isn't even a hypothesis to gather evid…

The mechanism of action of the Johnson & Johnson and AstraZeneca vaccines is DNA, which is effectively like mRNA but with a couple of extra steps with their own risk attached. I think there's some suspicion that the blood clotting issues with the AZ vaccine were due to errors in the DNA to mRNA transcription causing erroneous and dangerous proteins to be produced. There's not really any traditional inactivated vaccines in widespread use against Covid at the moment.

Re: Google Offices to Mandate Vaccines

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Post by ffggvv »

BHSPitMonkey wrote: post #242
ffggvv wrote: post #184

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so can employers for instance ask about HIV status and discriminate based on that?

Is that something you've seen happening? Seems far-fetched to me, since you can't contract HIV simply by doing office work in the same room with HIV-positive co-workers.

yes, for machinists if they get a cut and have hiv all work needs to stop and the area needs to be sanitized

Re: Google Offices to Mandate Vaccines

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Post by [deleted] »

native_samples wrote: post #328
roberttod wrote: post #248

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We're about to go through another spike in cases in the US because of the Delta variant spreading through the unvaxed population. This has implications for vaccinated people. We may need to reintroduce some lockdown rules and the Delta variant is still going to kill some vaccinated people (in much lower numbers, but unnecessary).

Vaccinated people catch and spread COVID just like the unvaccinated. The vaccines don't seem to affect transmission at all. Consider Iceland. It has a highly vaccinated population (>70%, supposedly the herd immunity threshold), yet is now seeing a third wave of the same magnitude as prior waves anyway. It seems the cause may be that the vaccines don't create mucosal immunity like natural infection would. The vaccines…

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Re: Google Offices to Mandate Vaccines

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Post by tantalor »

roamerz wrote: post #92

The fact that these mandates ignore the fact that past infection also provides immunity is frustrating and makes me question what is behind the mandates themselves. A valid test showing the antibodies should be allowed in place of an immunization. https://www.nih.gov/news-events/nih-research-matters/lasting...

Same reason why folks who got chicken pox as kids don't need the vaccine; we already had it!

Edit: If you did have chickenpox, CDC says you don't need the vaccine.

> CDC recommends two doses of chickenpox vaccine for children, adolescents, and adults who have never had chickenpox and were never vaccinated.

https://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/vpd/varicella/public/index.html

Re: Google Offices to Mandate Vaccines

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Post by makomk »

roamerz wrote: post #92

The fact that these mandates ignore the fact that past infection also provides immunity is frustrating and makes me question what is behind the mandates themselves. A valid test showing the antibodies should be allowed in place of an immunization. https://www.nih.gov/news-events/nih-research-matters/lasting...

Oh yes. I've seen absolutely exasperating articles in the New York Times and I think possibly other places complaining about people who refused to get vaccinated despite having caught Covid, as though that was somehow supposed to make it more worth their while getting vaccinated rather than less...
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