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Did Windows 10 slow down with each feature update?

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Re: Did Windows 10 slow down with each feature update?

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Post by mongol »

samplatt wrote: post #316
ksec wrote: post #261

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That is what I have been banging on about for years . Latency added, not just in Software, but in Hardware as well from Display, Keyboard, Mouse and even Network. The past 20+ years the whole industry nearly went all out on optimising for throughput. Sometimes I look at macOS, Windows 10. Apart from some UI facelift I dont even remember a single user feature that was relevant or important in the past 5 years. Apart f…

>Sometimes I look at macOS, Windows 10. Apart from some UI facelift I dont even remember a single user feature The user "feature" that comes quickest to mind for Windows 10 was the first run of calc.exe showing a popup notification begging for a 5-star rating in the Microsoft Store. The fucking CALCULATOR . Literally the first and most basic function any computer ever had, which has had NO ui changes in the million s…

What rating did you give it?

Re: Did Windows 10 slow down with each feature update?

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Post by cookiengineer »

freeone3000 wrote: post #297
Wowfunhappy wrote: post #291

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Yes, so Microsoft has to make the decision for them. I'm not sure "we're going to make your computer 30% slower because there's a 0.0001% chance someone could steal your password" is the right decision. (These numbers are completely made up. Any decision would depend on getting the right numbers, but this appears to be easier said than done. I've seen very different estimates.)

An unpatched data exfil against the OS with the largest install base in the world? It doesn't matter it's a byte at a time, cryptominers have done more with less. The question isn't if, the question is who and how many. The fallout from SMB2 is still ongoing, and it was patched 10 years ago. The idea of not patching EVER opens up harms for the next twenty years for everyone.

> The fallout from SMB2

This made me wanna cry. Jokes aside, there's much truth to this. Attack vectors at this scale are seriously dangerous.

I'm still hoping we can prevent the namewreck fallout of SCADA systems, because at one point or another, 8200 is gonna make a mistake with their offensive cybersec operations.

Re: Did Windows 10 slow down with each feature update?

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Post by pope_meat »

toomanybeersies wrote: post #318
nitrogen wrote: post #300

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didn't immediately see the answer in a quick google. Whether happening organically or through the magic of reputation management, that's pretty alarming, actually. Give it another few years and nobody will even remember.

If GP searched for something along the lines of "Volvo emissions cheating", then I hardly think it's alarming that the VW scandal didn't come up.

Just searched "emissions cheating" and uh, is like, every auto maker cheating on emissions? I remember the VW scandal, but this quick search leaves me to conclude that VW is only the most memorable one that got mass media attention of late.

But hey, we love our corporate overlords, they only want what's best for us, the shareholders.

(Not actually a shareholder of anything)

Re: Did Windows 10 slow down with each feature update?

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Post by jcelerier »

danielheath wrote: post #294
chii wrote: post #293

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> former "performance gains" were cheated why would cache performance be considered a cheat?

Because it makes several of the isolation features the processor ships with useless, without documenting it?

But isolation had never been sold as a security feature, only as a "user-space crash can't bring down the kernel", no ?

Re: Did Windows 10 slow down with each feature update?

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Post by ShroudedNight »

nso wrote: post #238
marcosdumay wrote: post #164

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Win10 is perfectly fine on HDDs. You just have to install Linux on the bare metal, and create a Win10 VM leaving at least 3GB of RAM to the Linux caches. This is faster than W10 on bare metal with SSD and the same physical amount of RAM.

Why is this?

I'm pretty sure a lot of this is telemetry related. Resmon will frequently show ETW (Event Tracing for Windows) files getting a detrimental quantity of I/O directed their way, especially at boot...

Re: Did Windows 10 slow down with each feature update?

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Post by samplatt »

mongol wrote: post #331
samplatt wrote: post #316

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>Sometimes I look at macOS, Windows 10. Apart from some UI facelift I dont even remember a single user feature The user "feature" that comes quickest to mind for Windows 10 was the first run of calc.exe showing a popup notification begging for a 5-star rating in the Microsoft Store. The fucking CALCULATOR . Literally the first and most basic function any computer ever had, which has had NO ui changes in the million s…

What rating did you give it?

I gave it one star and left a scathing review. What are they going to do, not include a calculator in the next Windows?

Re: Did Windows 10 slow down with each feature update?

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Post by formerly_proven »

toomanybeersies wrote: post #318
nitrogen wrote: post #300

Earlier quoted context omitted.

didn't immediately see the answer in a quick google. Whether happening organically or through the magic of reputation management, that's pretty alarming, actually. Give it another few years and nobody will even remember.

If GP searched for something along the lines of "Volvo emissions cheating", then I hardly think it's alarming that the VW scandal didn't come up.

It's not really wrong, is it? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diesel_emissions_scandal

Re: Did Windows 10 slow down with each feature update?

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Post by ToFab123 »

It would be interesting to see the results if windows was upgraded instead of doing clean install for each version.

I find upgraded to be the #1 cause for issues with windows. A clean install (using iso downloaded from MS) normally resolves pretty much all problems and upgrade be the one that creates them.

Re: Did Windows 10 slow down with each feature update?

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Post by formerly_proven »

ksec wrote: post #261
samplatt wrote: post #247

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>almost innavigable for someone with quick reflexes My few short years with Windows 3.1+ spoiled me for all future versions of windows. Instant closing, instant alt-tabbing, double-clicking the top-left corner icon to close, (nearly) instant opening of simple apps like File Manager and Notepad... not to mention the instant crashes. Linux got close but still always felt clunky, while future versions of Windows and Mac…

That is what I have been banging on about for years . Latency added, not just in Software, but in Hardware as well from Display, Keyboard, Mouse and even Network. The past 20+ years the whole industry nearly went all out on optimising for throughput. Sometimes I look at macOS, Windows 10. Apart from some UI facelift I dont even remember a single user feature that was relevant or important in the past 5 years. Apart f…

> The past 20+ years the whole industry nearly went all out on optimising for throughput.

It used to be that GPU drivers would queue up to ~10 frames just to get slightly higher FPS in benchmarks (while adding basically a quarter of a second input lag)... naturally, this is an extremely bad trade-off for gaming, but made them look a few percent (at most) better on paper.

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