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Did Windows 10 slow down with each feature update?

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Re: Did Windows 10 slow down with each feature update?

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Post by samplatt »

kroltan wrote: post #254
samplatt wrote: post #247

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>almost innavigable for someone with quick reflexes My few short years with Windows 3.1+ spoiled me for all future versions of windows. Instant closing, instant alt-tabbing, double-clicking the top-left corner icon to close, (nearly) instant opening of simple apps like File Manager and Notepad... not to mention the instant crashes. Linux got close but still always felt clunky, while future versions of Windows and Mac…

Right? I opened a Windows XP VM inside my 10 box a bit ago to play an old game, and oh boy was that incredibly snappy compared to what we have now. Sure, it's running in anachronistic hardware, but where did we go wrong? 3.1 was before my time, but I can imagine.

To be fair, 3.1 was snappy because it didn't have the layers of security and anti-crashing catches that we now rely on.

Re: Did Windows 10 slow down with each feature update?

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Post by samplatt »

Wowfunhappy wrote: post #264
samplatt wrote: post #247

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>almost innavigable for someone with quick reflexes My few short years with Windows 3.1+ spoiled me for all future versions of windows. Instant closing, instant alt-tabbing, double-clicking the top-left corner icon to close, (nearly) instant opening of simple apps like File Manager and Notepad... not to mention the instant crashes. Linux got close but still always felt clunky, while future versions of Windows and Mac…

I'd be curious to know what you think of Haiku, if you've ever tried it.

Only ever read about BeOS and haven't never heard of Haiku :O

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Post by marderfarker2 »

sph wrote: post #71
boba7 wrote: post #5

Anyone finally willing to admit that w10 is unusable on Hard Drives while Linux and W7 work fine on them?

Why do people still expect modern software to run at incredible speeds on hard disk drives? Run old technology with old software. It is ridiculous that consumer hardware is still being sold with crappy 5400 RPM disks in 2021. No, I have no interest in optimising my software for speeds that are 1/10th of my broadband. Unless we're talking archival or huge storage necessities, stop complaining about modern OS or games…

More often than not I find modern software regress in terms of feature compared to “older” software. An obvious example is softwares that has win32 and their UWP counterpart. The UWP version usually is stripped down in features, buggy and more resource hungry, e.g. Windows 7 Photo Viewer vs the Win 10 Photos app.

One would associate modern to something that is improved, better, faster. But that’s not the case with current state of software.

Re: Did Windows 10 slow down with each feature update?

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Post by yyyk »

boba7 wrote: post #5

Anyone finally willing to admit that w10 is unusable on Hard Drives while Linux and W7 work fine on them?

I don't have experience with W10+HDD, but note that modern HDDs have started to adopt SMR which can lead to slower writes. It's possible slowness comes from that direction and not just W10.

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Post by throwaway2048 »

k12sosse wrote: post #38
haunter wrote: post #9

On my current gaming PC (i7-7700) I have installed W10 in 2017 and... no problem whatsoever? SSD, 10s boot. idk how do people end up with all the problems. I'm really curious because there must be an underlying reason

I think people just don't know how to be good computer users.. they might be able to program their way out of a paper bag but systems admin is not their paper bag

yes, if only people would get good, perhaps their OS would speed up.

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Post by samplatt »

ksec wrote: post #261
samplatt wrote: post #247

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>almost innavigable for someone with quick reflexes My few short years with Windows 3.1+ spoiled me for all future versions of windows. Instant closing, instant alt-tabbing, double-clicking the top-left corner icon to close, (nearly) instant opening of simple apps like File Manager and Notepad... not to mention the instant crashes. Linux got close but still always felt clunky, while future versions of Windows and Mac…

That is what I have been banging on about for years . Latency added, not just in Software, but in Hardware as well from Display, Keyboard, Mouse and even Network. The past 20+ years the whole industry nearly went all out on optimising for throughput. Sometimes I look at macOS, Windows 10. Apart from some UI facelift I dont even remember a single user feature that was relevant or important in the past 5 years. Apart f…

>Sometimes I look at macOS, Windows 10. Apart from some UI facelift I dont even remember a single user feature

The user "feature" that comes quickest to mind for Windows 10 was the first run of calc.exe showing a popup notification begging for a 5-star rating in the Microsoft Store.

The fucking CALCULATOR. Literally the first and most basic function any computer ever had, which has had NO ui changes in the million software and hardware permutations for 70 years, because it's already perfect. Something has gone unfathomably, fundamentally wrong with how Microsoft works internally.

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Post by sudosysgen »

criddell wrote: post #73
smoldesu wrote: post #21

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Definitely. Booting up Win10 on an HDD can take up to 10 minutes if you have Discord/Steam installed.

Why is that a Windows problem and not a Discord or Steam issue?

I mean, the same apps on Arch Linux don't slow me down at all. So in some ways it must be a Windows issue.

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Post by toomanybeersies »

nitrogen wrote: post #300
zargon wrote: post #296

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Thanks! I wasn't sure I remembered correctly but didn't immediately see the answer in a quick google.

didn't immediately see the answer in a quick google. Whether happening organically or through the magic of reputation management, that's pretty alarming, actually. Give it another few years and nobody will even remember.

If GP searched for something along the lines of "Volvo emissions cheating", then I hardly think it's alarming that the VW scandal didn't come up.

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Post by snakeman »

sumtechguy wrote: post #44
LarryDarrell wrote: post #16

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I think the Startup Processes really gets abused and people default to blame Windows for it. My time to a usable desktop seemed slow until I removed Teams, Steam, Dropbox and some other update utilities from Startup. Now it's pretty much instant.

I keep mine startup fairly clean and this is key to a 'fast startup'. There are about 10 different ways applications can auto start in windows and you have too check them all, as all will be used. My laptop from 2012 is 10-30 seconds. My laptop from last year is usually under 10. My NUC from 2011 is about 30 seconds and has been consistently that for the time I have owned it. Also on older computers check to see if i…

Amusingly, Microsoft provides their own tool (1) for excellent insight and enabling/disabling of all the various places applications can put their startup executables.

1 - https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/sysinternals/downloads/auto...

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Post by memco »

Hammershaft wrote: post #122
sph wrote: post #71

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Why do people still expect modern software to run at incredible speeds on hard disk drives? Run old technology with old software. It is ridiculous that consumer hardware is still being sold with crappy 5400 RPM disks in 2021. No, I have no interest in optimising my software for speeds that are 1/10th of my broadband. Unless we're talking archival or huge storage necessities, stop complaining about modern OS or games…

> Why do people still expect modern software to run at incredible speeds on hard disk drives? Modern software usually doesn't run at incredible speeds on an nvme drive with top of the line hardware. Modern software is often just slow. What can I do on a modern operating system today that I couldn't do on a predecessor released 20 years ago? What justifies that Windows 10 feels slower to use then Windows XP while Wind…

Am I the only person who has a laptop that boots as soon as I push the power button and also the only person who remembers when doing an OS update was an entire days work and involved babysitting the whole process to swap out disks and make sure nothing broke? My wife recently threw her hands up and said “Five minutes?” When I told her how long her over the air software update would take on her phone. There are plenty of things that could be better about new systems and I would love nothing more than to see more optimization of our software and hardware, but let’s not look too long through those rose colored glasses. The past was painful too. Maybe we’re stuck playing whack-a-mole, but maybe things will get better.
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