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Windows 10 to be retired in 2025, as new OS unveils

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Re: Windows 10 to be retired in 2025, as new OS unveils

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Post by x86_64Ubuntu »

dantondwa wrote: post #223
artificialLimbs wrote: post #18

>> Windows 10 was released in July 2015 and dubbed "Windows as a service" Can we please have 7 back, with its complete lack of built in ads, dark patterns ramming the Microsoft browser down your throat, telemetry everywhere (the calculator, really?), changes for the sake of showing that some manager did something rather than functionality (Rename this PC -> Rename this PC (Advanced))? Windows 10 still regularly shows…

I recently discovered, while helping a family member, that to unlock Windows from S mode you now need a Microsoft account. This is really crazy: I need a stupid Microsoft account to use my PC. Without mentioning that the only way to create a local user is to setup windows without connecting it to the internet. And without mentioning the amount of nagging, ads and spam that Windows users have to withstand. Like, the o…

I ran into Windows S when setting up a laptop for my mother. I was hot and pissed that they force you to handover an account/data to use your system. It's clear that the Windows world is out of ideas, and is now looking to move into datamining to maintain revenues. Revenues none of which will be spent on making sure Patch Tuesday doesn't brick and BSOD people's machines.

Re: Windows 10 to be retired in 2025, as new OS unveils

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Post by orra »

chanc3e wrote: post #266
ergot_vacation wrote: post #213

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You're still operating under the notion that the BBC is Real Journalism, a grand institution that can be trusted as a source of well-researched, professionally vetted information. This hasn't been true for a long time, and this article is only a mild example of why. Most mainstream news sources have rotted away to being glorified tabloids at this point, and while the BBC may have rotted less, it's still in poor shape…

Sadly this is true. The BBC is staffed with some truly incredible talent and some of the output is world class - however, the news sub-desks are more or less a few freelancers copy/pasting from Reuters/syndicated news at this point, and articles are certainly not thoroughly vetted. Sheer inertia and brand cachet are carrying the BBC. I'm not sure which outlet is entirely trustworthy in the UK currently.

> I'm not sure which outlet is entirely trustworthy in the UK currently.

Ahahahahaha.

In the past I would have said The Guardian is okay, but right now they really hate trans people.

Re: Windows 10 to be retired in 2025, as new OS unveils

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Post by naikrovek »

rleigh wrote: post #193
elygre wrote: post #187

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I have never encountered a situation with forced reboots every 10 minutes. Do you have any very special hardware that might cause this?

I think this was somewhat hyperbolic, it's not that frequent, but it's still beyond ridiculous. I run VMs on vmware workstation. Every 2 or 3 days I come in to find the system rebooted during the night. I've tried every knob possible to turn it off to no avail. Updates regularly reset all the power settings so it suspends after 30 minutes. The lack of control over the machine's basic functioning makes it barely fit f…

Every 2-3 days? Microsoft doesn't even publish patches that require reboots that often.

NEVER has a Microsoft patch ever reset my power settings to re-enable standby after X minutes. I have dozens of machines that I use between home and work. never once has that happened.

there's something else going on

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Post by freeopinion »

PaulKeeble wrote: post #91
TonyTrapp wrote: post #25

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You know, I wouldn't even mind about telemetry in the calculator if that would have told them that I activate Programmer Mode a whole lot through the Alt+3 shortcut, and that my muscle memory of 20 years was completely ruined by them moving the Programmer Mode to Alt+4 for GUI consistency (after they added a new Graphing Mode that they wanted to stick right next to the Scientific Mode).

If they had used that telemetry to realise that maybe just maybe people tended to use the same mode and it might be an idea to store it and reapply it on launch then I could see a point to the telemetry. But they aren't even using it to solve the problems their users have, it is just data collection for collections sake if the applications aren't improving!

Do you suppose loyalty card telemetry is used to improve the customer's shopping experience?

Or do you suspect it might possibly be used for other purposes?

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Post by fl0wenol »

lozaning wrote: post #252
Wowfunhappy wrote: post #105

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It’s called Windows 10 LTSC and it’s great. Sadly, Microsoft won’t sell it to you. But it’s... out there.

Windows 10 LTS is all fun and games until you've got a samsung laptop, where the only supported way to load all the drivers is through their app on the Windows store, which does not work/isnt installed on LTS. Honestly though, not having my hardware volume keys work is a small price to pay for not having the regular windows 10 garbage.

There's got to be other ways to get the drivers, usually the hardware is generic enough if you pull the PCI ids you can get them from Windows update or manufacturers' websites, right?

Or is it all proprietary Samsung silicon...

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Post by whateveracct »

prometheus76 wrote: post #267
bsd44 wrote: post #241

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You should look into an alternative then. Linux is quite beginner friendly these days and with Wine you can emulate pretty much any Windows application if that's what's holding you back from switching. If not then MacOS is the way to go. If you really want to go "back" then you should have a look at ReactOS which is a sort of an open-source Windows clone. I can't comment on recent Windows-related event as XP was the…

Yeah until an update to the graphics driver, followed by a reboot, takes you to a black screen and nothing happens. So you use another computer to look online and there are five different solutions for five slightly different versions of different linux distributions, but none of them are the version you have and none of them work for your version. This all happened six months ago, which is the most recent attempt at…

On NixOS, you just reboot to the previous version thanks to immutability.

Linux GPU stuff is rough, but the above really helped. + Nix has a declarative way to configure the driver so other people did the hard part for me anyways.

Nix allows fearless Linux hacking (and thus, gaining of expertise.)

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Post by fsflover »

dehrmann wrote: post #220
mirker wrote: post #111

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A family member had a slow windows install. I checked the system utilization, suspecting paging. Guess what: 3/4 GB of the laptop were used by windows, leaving 1GB for all other applications. Apparently, deprecation via automatic updates is in, and it comes with candy crush. I installed Ubuntu 10 minutes later.

4 GB, especially if you don't have an SSD, isn't really enough for Windows 10. > I installed Ubuntu I did this once and regretted it. Except for OS itself, nothing quite worked reliably, and you're basically the only person who can help them if it has problems.

Worked fine for my case, no problems were reported.

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Post by fsflover »

tibbydudeza wrote: post #272

I used to be a MacOS user for a few years until Apple decided my Dual CPU Xeon powered cheese grater Mac Pro was not going to be supported. The linux desktop has been a mess for years so no thanks but I do use UnRaid on my fileserver. So I went back to Windows 10 and a Dell and it was not so bad - it works for my needs - yes had some issues around Windows Update being a hit and miss affair sometimes and a recent AMD…

> The linux desktop has been a mess for years

Not my experience at all. Probably depends on the distribution and hardware.

Re: Windows 10 to be retired in 2025, as new OS unveils

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Post by BrandoElFollito »

ketzu wrote: post #285
BrandoElFollito wrote: post #138

I like Windows as an end-user OS. Works with all my equipment. The only horribly annoying feature is the lack of borders around windows which sometimes make it very, very difficult to distinguish two overlapping windows. I am a heavy user of Linux in the back (all my servers and containers run some kind of Linux since '93) and I desperately tried to use it on the desktop but is it a big pile of crap. SO I will live i…

I feel the same way. I switched my work machine to windows after I couldn't get displayport chaining to work consistently under linux and had to plug in my monitors in a specific order after booting. Windows is by no means perfect. A bit overly provocative: With windows, if something is bad it is microsofts fault, with linux it's a user error. I don't like ads in the operating system (but I see it is hard to find a p…

I liked all of Windows, mostly because I am interested in technology and it was always a big thing to install the OS and see it working on my PC.

As for Linux, I am trying every year or so to run it on the desktop and everytime nothing works as expected. It is either the wake up that dos not trigger one of the screens, ot the audio (a complete disaster) or something else. I am sure that there are solutions but this is really a patchwork.

It is interesting how this is in contrast with their headless servers - I ran so many things for years, now mostly in docker and it just worked. When not, the error messages were usually informative - compared to the MS Windows events.

This duality i snot really a problem 8 I have vastly different needs on both platforms (except for docker when I develop - but this works fine with WSL2).

I did not know that there are Windows versions that display ads, though.

Re: Windows 10 to be retired in 2025, as new OS unveils

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Post by fsflover »

ketzu wrote: post #285
BrandoElFollito wrote: post #138

I like Windows as an end-user OS. Works with all my equipment. The only horribly annoying feature is the lack of borders around windows which sometimes make it very, very difficult to distinguish two overlapping windows. I am a heavy user of Linux in the back (all my servers and containers run some kind of Linux since '93) and I desperately tried to use it on the desktop but is it a big pile of crap. SO I will live i…

I feel the same way. I switched my work machine to windows after I couldn't get displayport chaining to work consistently under linux and had to plug in my monitors in a specific order after booting. Windows is by no means perfect. A bit overly provocative: With windows, if something is bad it is microsofts fault, with linux it's a user error. I don't like ads in the operating system (but I see it is hard to find a p…

> I couldn't get displayport chaining to work consistently under linux

But did you try to use hardware designed for Linux?

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