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Re: How Basecamp Blew Up

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> Seeing good companies get torn to shreds by this campus idiocy reminds me of how insulated academia is from the real world. What does this have to do with academia?

It’s coded language.

No, it's not.

Where do you think this ideology and hypersensitivity originated?

Re: How Basecamp Blew Up

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While true, I also remember watching a presentation about Shopify where they explained how they spent a whole year migrating to a newer Rails version. Now, Shopify clearly has the capacity to pull this off. But a smaller company that initially bet on Rails and is now facing a mountain of tech debt might not. To be fair: it is possible to write Rails applications in a way that you don't couple every aspect of your app…

Airbnb has also been vocal about the multi year slog to dig themselves out of their Rails hole.

On the other hand, it probably also enabled them to get up & running with a MVP fairly fast and low-cost. No one knew it was going to be the big success from the get-go, and most new companies fail.

In hindsight, it was probably a bad choice. At the time however, it was probably a good one.

Besides, things like AirBnB are the exceptions. Most sites don't get anywhere near the traffic they get, and Rails is often a good choice. Is it imperfect and are there trade-offs involved? Of course, but there are with anything.

Re: How Basecamp Blew Up

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You - "one of the senior management team said white supremacy does not exist" article - "he questioned the existence of white supremacy at the company" Not the same

The article contains multiple interpretations of what was said, including the one the parent comment used.

> Ryan Singer, had been suspended and placed under investigation after he questioned the existence of white supremacy at the company

>“I objected to an employee’s statement that we live in a white supremacist culture. White supremacism exists, and America’s history of racism still presents terrible problems, but I don’t agree that we should label our entire culture with this ideology.

From Ryan Singer.

Re: How Basecamp Blew Up

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I am a member of a discriminated against minority in tech and I find this level of wokeness appalling. We will sometimes politically disagree with our co-workers and I don't want to have to argue with them. It's dreary and demoralizing. Most of the time there is no change in views as a result and frankly, it's not worth my time. That said, it's very problematic to go into this controversy because one of the senior ma…

> I find this level of wokeness appalling. Calling out a senior staff member when they state 'white supremecy doesn't exist' is 'appalling'....yeah ok bud

What sr. staff member believes white supremacy doesn't exist?

Re: How Basecamp Blew Up

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> Seeing good companies get torn to shreds by this campus idiocy reminds me of how insulated academia is from the real world. What does this have to do with academia?

Intellectuals are the priests of the new alliance of throne and altar. http://profcj.org/alliance-of-throne-altar/

Religion doesn’t go away, it just evolves.

Now the priest hand down by divine inspiration. Don’t question the orthodoxy.

Re: How Basecamp Blew Up

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post #252

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Third, they secretly deleted over a decade's worth of company chat history shortly before making the disastrous blog post. Why? Fourth, they retaliated against employees by taking away benefits in the most humiliating way possible, via the aforementioned disastrous public blog post. And yet, people are still going to bat for them because...I don't know. It seems like a lot of people have a religious faith in the deci…

> Third, they secretly deleted over a decade's worth of company chat history shortly before making the disastrous blog post. Why? I can think of a reason. To protect employees who are not part of the woke mob from being “canceled” by the woke mob.

any time I find someone like you complaining about “getting cancelled” or “cancel culture”, I just replace “cancel” with “consequences”, since that’s what it really is.

They wanted to protect employees from the consequences of their words and actions.

Re: How Basecamp Blew Up

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I've seen it happen in a company which was doing just fine. It happened randomly and completely out of the blue: one software engineer mentioned he didn't believe in the gender gap and he was promptly replied 1000 words essays by other leaders in the company shutting him down, to show that "we don't tolerate certain behaviour". Guidelines were created to avoid future political discussions in the workplace. No-one lef…

Maybe. But this is (was) a 60-person company. That's about the size of the company I'm currently working at. In other words, you should know everyone and interact with a sizeable chunk of these people somewhat regularly. It strikes me as very odd that you would suddenly so fundamentally distrust your co-workers with whom you share so much. But I'm also not in the US and maybe this is just the current climate over the…

I work at a Fortune 500 company that has gone woke, complete with critical race theory training. I'm literally the only white person in my department. I'm the racial minority. Do you think any of the training even considered that a possibility? Before this change in the company I had never even noticed my race in relation to my coworkers and I absolutely hate them for bringing it to my attention and forcing me against my will to focus on the fact that I'm a racial minority. I've had employers destroy my retirement plan value (pension) and others try to avoid paying me. This feels much more depraved and personal because they are attacking me psychologically. I'm on my way out.

Re: How Basecamp Blew Up

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post #163

white su·prem·a·cy; the belief that white people constitute a superior race and should therefore dominate society de·fund; prevent from continuing to receive funds Courtesy of the dictionary. This is not hard. Stop entertaining people who redefine words.

I think the point the OP is making is that an overt statement such as "White power!!1 Jews will not replace us!!!sixonetikitorches" directly exposes a white supremacist opinion, whereas there are less overt actions that, if analysed thoughtfully, also expose white supremacy. It is very similar to people who say "I'm not racist, I don't think I'm superior to anyone and the dictionary definition of racism is to assume…

> Also "defund the police" is a shorthand that typically means "reduce direct law enforcement funding and instead fund other community engagement programs".

"Reform the police" is much more universalist term that people across multiple political spectrums would have gotten behind (and it's still memorable).

I'm not sure why it wasn't used instead.

Re: How Basecamp Blew Up

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post #252

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> Third, they secretly deleted over a decade's worth of company chat history shortly before making the disastrous blog post. Why? I can think of a reason. To protect employees who are not part of the woke mob from being “canceled” by the woke mob.

any time I find someone like you complaining about “getting cancelled” or “cancel culture”, I just replace “cancel” with “consequences”, since that’s what it really is. They wanted to protect employees from the consequences of their words and actions.

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Re: How Basecamp Blew Up

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post #194

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Here's a twitch partner, just earlier today, illustrating how DEI is racist. Expect to see a lot of this; "Kinda sad, found out I was accepted into a twitch team because of my skin colour so that “diversity” can be preached & not for my values or the blood, sweat n tears I’ve put into my work. Plus then being left out of everything & watching from the sidelines continuously..." https://twitter.com/Sharesee/status/138…

It's weird to cite someone complaining about not being included, as an example of inclusion being bad. Sure, fake-DEI is bad, because it's not DEI! Also weird for someone to complain about "because of my skin colour" when she identifies herself on Twitter as "Bajan and British" first and foremost, not anything about her "values or the blood, sweat n tears".

Its actually a lot weirder for you to start questioning their ethnicity.

The parent didn’t say inclusion is bad, but the execution of DEI policies is bad.

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