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Facebook to move UK users to California terms, avoiding EU privacy rules

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Re: Facebook to move UK users to California terms, avoiding EU privacy rules

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The ICO can fine, but almost certainly won't. It's a failed regulator.

> It's a failed regulator. Not sure I would go this far, but I do agree with this > The ICO can fine, but almost certainly won't But only because one the U.K. leaves the EU, the ICO will struggle to actually enforce its fines when all of the companies involved are notional operating in the EU with little direct presence in the U.K.

They've been failing to even issue fines, let alone enforce them.

Both for competence reasons (see also: the collapse of the AIQ enforcement, and the climb-downs in Mariot and BA cases) and for... I don't know why in the adtech case.

The ICO has evidence of wide-scale criminal behaviour in the adtech industry.

And yet they flat-out refuse to take enforcement action.

They're even proud of the fact they're refusing to do their job - they put it in their annual report!

And even in their non-data protection duties, they've all but given up enforcing the Freedom of Information Act. Statutory timelines are apparently now utterly meaningless. The ICO has even stopped publishing data on compliance levels.

It looks like Denham wants to spend her time as Information Commissioner issuing tough-sounding press releases and threatening (but ultimately flawed) pre-enforcement notices and then using the publicity from those to become a Thought Leader in AI ethics.

Re: Facebook to move UK users to California terms, avoiding EU privacy rules

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The closest thing to this currently is Mastodon. https://www.theverge.com/2019/7/12/20691957/mastodon-decentr... There are a lot of open hard technology and business problems to make decentralized systems act as good as centralized systems. In short, The web architecture (HTTP, HTML, URI, MIME) inherently is decentralized for consumption but encourages centralized updates. Many years ago I wrote about these technical…

Mastodon, does not operate above the ability of a nation state to block Mastodon. At the info tech department of a large flagship university recently, (and for reasons that are a bit salacious), there was a need to block mastodon servers on campus and some coming from off campus. It was almost as easy as the flip of a switch to turn it off. If a university can do it on their network, it's a virtual certainty that a n…

That's discouraging. You know MIT runs its own mastodon instance, right?

https://mastodon.mit.edu/about

Re: Facebook to move UK users to California terms, avoiding EU privacy rules

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It's easier to put things online wrt technical barrier of entry and cost, but it's a lot harder for things to get seen. Got a popular page on Facebook? pay for it to be seen. Got a great unique website? Pay to be seen via Adwords. Website owners don't link so liberally as they once did because the link graph has been obliterated by "what people think will please Google" rather than linking to things they think other…

> it's a lot harder for things to get seen. Here's something I've always wondered: I don't really get this obsession with maximizing the number of people who go to one's web page. If you're just a regular person who's not profiting from ads or something, it shouldn't matter. If I post something to the internet, I maybe send it to a few people who might want to see it and that's it. I don't care about collecting pagev…

Almost anyone who publishes something wants people to read it. The ones who don’t care how many people read their ideas don’t publish — they keep it to themselves or just discuss it with friends.

Re: Facebook to move UK users to California terms, avoiding EU privacy rules

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It's easier to put things online wrt technical barrier of entry and cost, but it's a lot harder for things to get seen. Got a popular page on Facebook? pay for it to be seen. Got a great unique website? Pay to be seen via Adwords. Website owners don't link so liberally as they once did because the link graph has been obliterated by "what people think will please Google" rather than linking to things they think other…

> it's a lot harder for things to get seen. Here's something I've always wondered: I don't really get this obsession with maximizing the number of people who go to one's web page. If you're just a regular person who's not profiting from ads or something, it shouldn't matter. If I post something to the internet, I maybe send it to a few people who might want to see it and that's it. I don't care about collecting pagev…

Since I do currently earn money from my programming tutorials, let me tell you about my blog in the late aughts.

I wrote hundreds of pieces about language learning, teaching and elementary school-aged education. One benefit from that work was that it helped me grow as a teacher and later as a curriculum designer. But that wasn't the whole thing. I made friends from that blog.

I also got emails from teachers living all over the world, asking questions and thanking me for the topic. Cambridge University Press contacted me and purchased rights to some of my writing and distributed it far further than I ever could have.

Given the assumption that the content really was useful, more people seeing it meant better educational outcomes for many, many young students that I'll never meet.

The reach of media is a multiplier for its impact.

Re: Facebook to move UK users to California terms, avoiding EU privacy rules

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It even is sometimes weaponized to help fight competition. For example, by making it expensive to conduct a certain type of business and requiring even higher entry costs (things like certification, licences, etc.) it actually favors large, established businesses. Case in point: Uber suggesting minimum wage for their workers, some time ago. Think about this, the company refuses to recognize them as their work force b…

My favorite is the NY LLC publishing requirement. To start a business you must publish that you started a business for 6 consecutive weeks which costs thousands. Wonder what back door corrupt deal was made on that one.

It doesn't cost thousands. It's at most $200 or so to publish in two newspapers. Where I'm from people always pick the Jewish Ledger because it's something like $79 for an ad publishing a LLC.

It's a dumb rule regardless, but please don't blow the costs out of proportion.

Re: Facebook to move UK users to California terms, avoiding EU privacy rules

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It's easier to put things online wrt technical barrier of entry and cost, but it's a lot harder for things to get seen. Got a popular page on Facebook? pay for it to be seen. Got a great unique website? Pay to be seen via Adwords. Website owners don't link so liberally as they once did because the link graph has been obliterated by "what people think will please Google" rather than linking to things they think other…

> it's a lot harder for things to get seen. Here's something I've always wondered: I don't really get this obsession with maximizing the number of people who go to one's web page. If you're just a regular person who's not profiting from ads or something, it shouldn't matter. If I post something to the internet, I maybe send it to a few people who might want to see it and that's it. I don't care about collecting pagev…

It wasn’t about views, it was about feeling that you’re part of a community. If nobody can get to your pages then no comunity.

There used to be a time when websites were linking eachother and the information sharing formed a wonderful community. At first, search engines were indexing these webpages but those times are unfortunately over. Now the community turned into walled gardens.

Re: Facebook to move UK users to California terms, avoiding EU privacy rules

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> it's a lot harder for things to get seen. Here's something I've always wondered: I don't really get this obsession with maximizing the number of people who go to one's web page. If you're just a regular person who's not profiting from ads or something, it shouldn't matter. If I post something to the internet, I maybe send it to a few people who might want to see it and that's it. I don't care about collecting pagev…

Since I do currently earn money from my programming tutorials, let me tell you about my blog in the late aughts. I wrote hundreds of pieces about language learning, teaching and elementary school-aged education. One benefit from that work was that it helped me grow as a teacher and later as a curriculum designer. But that wasn't the whole thing. I made friends from that blog. I also got emails from teachers living al…

It sounds like you made something beneficial for the web in which your peers agreed.

How about in 2020, would you agree that the amount of visibility your site gets is dependent on FB and G algos? Even if the content is evergreen? Of course that disregards other sites making new things but I'd say your value is not diminished either way.

Re: Facebook to move UK users to California terms, avoiding EU privacy rules

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I think what you're missing here is simply how much larger the Internet is now than it was in the romanticized past. If there was ever a time where you could reliably establish a meaningful distribution platform by personally emailing individual webmasters, surely it was a time where there was an extremely small number of regular web visitors. In fact, I would be willing to bet that, right now, the world of independe…

I'm not buying either of the points, about romanticising or the portion. What means to do we have of discovering new content, right now. All the eyeball time on social media, all the searches done for the most part on Google. You've basically two methods of discovering new things when considering the sum time of everyone who might recommend something they've seen. That's not romantic at all to me! FWIW I don't think…

What are the two methods?

I have received quite a few visitors from a Reddit post on the right subreddit. Hackernews posts generate a lot of traffic. You can also advertise on a number of platforms.

Re: Facebook to move UK users to California terms, avoiding EU privacy rules

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Free exchange among peoples is alive and well. It is easier today to make a website and share anything than it has ever been in the history of civilization. All this is is the reining in of a few greedy corporations that offer information-sharing platforms in exchange for exploitation. New communities will pop up, and old ones resurface.

How are people being exploited? Where is the harm?

Your insurance company could raise your rates because you've been "liking" posts about extreme sports, for example, among many. And the more hands your data passes through, the more likely it ends up leaking when someone is inevitably hacked, because security is expensive and your data is cheap.

Re: Facebook to move UK users to California terms, avoiding EU privacy rules

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How would you have been able to get people to see your great unique website 20 years ago? I don't remember it being easy to get a large audience at any point in the internet's history.

Word of mouth. Post in some relevant chats/forums. Get a handful of other people interested, have them spread the word (links/chat) for you.

Posting in a subreddit will likely get you more traffic than you would have gotten back then.
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