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Facebook to move UK users to California terms, avoiding EU privacy rules

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Re: Facebook to move UK users to California terms, avoiding EU privacy rules

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Post by bonoboTP »

avianlyric wrote: post #174
nyokodo wrote: post #158

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Except the UK and US security agencies share data freely through the Five Eyes alliance. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Five_Eyes

Yes, and as UK citizen I can hold my government to account through the democratic process if they start freely sharing data on UK citizens to others in the Five Eyes alliance. Notably the Five Eyes alliance used this exact setup to avoid local laws and democratic accountability, I don't want it to be easier for it to continue. I sure as shit can't hold the US government to account.

> if they start freely sharing data on UK citizens to others in the Five Eyes alliance.

How will you know?

Re: Facebook to move UK users to California terms, avoiding EU privacy rules

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Post by 8note »

harry8 wrote: post #156
treeman79 wrote: post #145

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Fewer regulations should be the goal. Simplified tax goals. Fairtax was a great attempt at this. One tax rate. Everyone got a check so that poor people didn’t suffer. Millions of tax attorneys and government would need to find something else to do.

>Fewer regulations should be the goal. That goal is lost while regulatory capture is the norm. Others say "better regulations protecting people should be the goal" That goal is lost while regulatory capture is the norm. Whatever our cause, without reform of the norm of regulatory capture, our cause is lost. I'd much rather reform that corruption and the "other side" win power than "my side" win with the corruption ra…

More democracy seems like the answer there? If somebody wants regulatory capture, they should have to convince a plurality of people that it's a good thing, and do it again and again on a regular basis.

Add to that more transparency in corporation ownership, especially in trade deals, and strong controls on what regulators are allowed to do during and after their time working as regulators.

Re: Facebook to move UK users to California terms, avoiding EU privacy rules

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Post by pilsetnieks »

alisonkisk wrote: post #223
pilsetnieks wrote: post #196

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Living in a country where a global total war and several occupations of the most evil totalitarian regimes in history is still within living memory, and having been under an isolationist totalitarian power, comments like these make me shudder. Globalization has some problems. The benefits so far have massively outweighed them, especially if you take the long view. How about we try to fix those faults, instead of retr…

Are you imagining that globalization will somehow create peace and prosperity between Chinese, Arabs, Jews, USAmericans, billionaires, cocoa growing child slaves, and the rest?

Yes, it already has, between most of them most of the time.

Re: Facebook to move UK users to California terms, avoiding EU privacy rules

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Post by alisonkisk »

dcolkitt wrote: post #89
tstrimple wrote: post #75

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Yeah, we never see examples of small teams disrupting large markets with entrenched competitors. I'm afraid with taxi medallion regulations, we'll never see any competition in that space.

I don't understand the point you're making. Are you arguing that tax medallion regulations helped ride share companies enter the market?

Parent was attempting sarcasm, which makes their writing essentially meaningless because the reader has to gursst if they meant what they wrote or the opposite.

Re: Facebook to move UK users to California terms, avoiding EU privacy rules

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Post by avianlyric »

s1artibartfast wrote: post #218
avianlyric wrote: post #176

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I don't have an issue giving my data to an American company. I just don't want them to store it in the US without my explicit consent. Equally if you buy a product from a Chinese company in the US, you would expect that product to meet US standards, not Chinese standards.

>Equally if you buy a product from a Chinese company in the US, you would expect that product to meet US standards, not Chinese standards. Conversely, if China had higher standards, I wouldn't be surprised if the product met the chinese standards. In this case, California standards will meet or exceed those of the UK.

> California standards will meet or exceed those of the UK.

That's very unlikely. California may be the left-leaning, liberal, forward thinking state of the US. But it's got nothing on the EU/UK when it comes to things like food, safety or privacy standards (except for vehicle emissions where California is ahead, thanks VW).

Remember the "left" in US would be considered far "right" (I don't mean neo-Nazi far right, I just mean further right wing than our mainstream right wing parties) in the UK/EU when it comes to social and economic policy.

Re: Facebook to move UK users to California terms, avoiding EU privacy rules

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Post by cortesoft »

ricardo81 wrote: post #185
hypertele-Xii wrote: post #23

Free exchange among peoples is alive and well. It is easier today to make a website and share anything than it has ever been in the history of civilization. All this is is the reining in of a few greedy corporations that offer information-sharing platforms in exchange for exploitation. New communities will pop up, and old ones resurface.

It's easier to put things online wrt technical barrier of entry and cost, but it's a lot harder for things to get seen. Got a popular page on Facebook? pay for it to be seen. Got a great unique website? Pay to be seen via Adwords. Website owners don't link so liberally as they once did because the link graph has been obliterated by "what people think will please Google" rather than linking to things they think other…

How would you have been able to get people to see your great unique website 20 years ago? I don't remember it being easy to get a large audience at any point in the internet's history.

Re: Facebook to move UK users to California terms, avoiding EU privacy rules

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Post by tinus_hn »

stickfigure wrote: post #11

This is the balkanization of the internet. We've lived through a brief period of free exchange among peoples, but it's soon over. I predict only one viable future for all technology companies, big and small: Pick a single national jurisdiction, keep your employees and servers inside it.

If you target EU users, you have to follow EU rules. It doesn’t matter where your servers are.

The move is because the UK is leaving the EU so the EU rules no longer apply to UK users.

Re: Facebook to move UK users to California terms, avoiding EU privacy rules

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Post by avianlyric »

bonoboTP wrote: post #231
avianlyric wrote: post #174

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes, and as UK citizen I can hold my government to account through the democratic process if they start freely sharing data on UK citizens to others in the Five Eyes alliance. Notably the Five Eyes alliance used this exact setup to avoid local laws and democratic accountability, I don't want it to be easier for it to continue. I sure as shit can't hold the US government to account.

> if they start freely sharing data on UK citizens to others in the Five Eyes alliance. How will you know?

Another Snowden? Change in government? Does it really matter?

Point is I help elect the UK government, that means I can change it. Does not apply to the US government, so the US government could put full page ads in the Daily Mail talking about how the abuse the data of UK citizens, and there's diddly squat I could do about it.

Re: Facebook to move UK users to California terms, avoiding EU privacy rules

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Post by 1vuio0pswjnm7 »

stickfigure wrote: post #11

This is the balkanization of the internet. We've lived through a brief period of free exchange among peoples, but it's soon over. I predict only one viable future for all technology companies, big and small: Pick a single national jurisdiction, keep your employees and servers inside it.

s/internet/commercial &/

Re: Facebook to move UK users to California terms, avoiding EU privacy rules

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Post by ben_w »

alisonkisk wrote: post #223
pilsetnieks wrote: post #196

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Living in a country where a global total war and several occupations of the most evil totalitarian regimes in history is still within living memory, and having been under an isolationist totalitarian power, comments like these make me shudder. Globalization has some problems. The benefits so far have massively outweighed them, especially if you take the long view. How about we try to fix those faults, instead of retr…

Are you imagining that globalization will somehow create peace and prosperity between Chinese, Arabs, Jews, USAmericans, billionaires, cocoa growing child slaves, and the rest?

Looking at the statistics, it’s certainly more plausible than the idea it might be making those things worse.

https://www.bbc.com/future/article/20190111-seven-reasons-wh...

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