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Isn't that a different number, though? You have to factor in that vaccines aren't 100% effective at preventing disease. Wikipedia spells it out in the vaccine section here [1] [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Herd_immunity
True but you're also not taking in to account that far less than 100% of the population appear susceptible to the virus, especially in e.g. Japan and Germany, for various reasons.
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Yeah, last time I was sick I had the flu. I had lingering effects for around 8-10 weeks after. Eventually I had to go to hospital to get checked. I feel a lot of Covid effects are being massively overblown because people aren't aware that other more common viruses that we don't worry about can have these "long term" effects as well.
People aren't worried about 8-10 weeks of lingering effects. Those 4 week and 8 week statistics are part of an attempt to understand what's going on. It doesn't mean 8 weeks is considered long covid. They are worried about effects where people got it months ago and are still disabled from it. Things like still struggling to walk upstairs 6 months after getting covid. And that young, fit people are reporting it, not j…
My fear is that this is super, super, super rare, but figures are including long term as low as 8 weeks, so we have absolutely no idea how small / large the number of people having this critical level of long term effect actually is.
I'm in the trial. Here's the participant information sheet, in case anyone's curious: https://drive.google.com/file/d/1WB5QPmECchlThnem9wcX0PDaKQW...
Are you given any monetary compensation or compensation at all for joining the trial?
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This IS good news. Now (soon, hopefully) people can acquire immunity through a vaccine, instead of through a virus that leaves long-lasting damage to the body (in particular, but not limited to, the brain).
> in particular, but not limited to, the brain Judging from our response to Covid-19, if this had actually been the collectively-feared zombie virus, the pandemic would have been far worse than any fictional account has manage to capture so far.
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8 weeks certainly shouldn't be classified as 'long term'. Long term health effect claims are being made all over the show - if this is the measure that is outrageous reporting. Most people would worry about 'long term health effects' as they'd usually assume that it's going to go on for years.
> Most people would worry about 'long term health effects' as they'd usually assume that it's going to go on for years. There are plenty of anecdotes to be found of people reporting debilitating long-covid symptoms for 6 months so far. That's "still sick since I had it back in March/April". (It hasn't been around for a year so nothing can be said about that timescale yet.) That's significant enough that public health…
However, they stating they're also counting 8-10 weeks as long term, so the stats are obviously way inflated. I'd really like to know the number of people having the extreme effects, without the media trying to inflate the figure.
One interesting point that I read about the Oxford vaccine is that it only needs chilling to -5c. Whereas many of the other vaccines (I don't know if all others or just some) need chilling to -60c. It strikes me that the Oxford vaccine has a distinct advantage when it comes to global distribution.
Other vaccines can be stored at -20C, usually.
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True but you're also not taking in to account that far less than 100% of the population appear susceptible to the virus, especially in e.g. Japan and Germany, for various reasons.
Do you have a credible source? I've heard these claims multiple times and they done seem to be borne out by events or supported by repudiable epidemiologist.
Furthermore, I know of at least 3 leading statisticians that hypothesized (very early on) that the variance of infection trends pointed to pre-existing immunity in various populations. The evidence supporting this is mounting.
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The moving average of daily deaths in the US has been stable or declining for the past two months. https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/us/
A friend of mine in public health mentioned to me that it's not uncommon for second waves of epidemics to be less deadly, since many of the people most vulnerable to the disease would have already passed away during the first wave.
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The moving average of daily deaths in the US has been stable or declining for the past two months. https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/us/
That was true until last week. Deaths are now rising again, and daily new cases are approaching the level of the summer peak.
Deaths is the only relevant measure.
Bet you they give it to everyone for free everywhere in the world except for the USA, where they charge 600 dollars a dose and consequently we never reach herd immunity and have endemic Covid indefinitely.
Would you please stop posting flamebait to HN and not use the site primarily for ideological battle? We ban accounts that do those things and have already had to ask you a few times. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html
Does this comment really read as flamebait? The article is about vaccines. A vaccine has to be administered to everyone to work. But I’m very skeptical that it’s actually going to happen given the way our medical system works here. So, I predict that there’s a good chance we won’t get herd immunity. I just don’t see how that’s flamebait. It’s more, known facts and extrapolation.