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Vaccine hopes rise as Oxford jab prompts immune response among old and young

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Re: Vaccine hopes rise as Oxford jab prompts immune response among old and young

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Who cares. I'd gladly give this company a couple of billion if it means they can get us back to normal. Oxford develops the vaccine with public money. We also, god willing, need to manufacture billions of them and transport them around the globe. For that manufacturing, give me a solid existing multinational with a proven manufacturing record and base please, not some non-profit startup.

Then it needs to be a cost-plus model. They should absolutely be able to make a profit for manufacturing and handling logistics. They shouldn't be making a 4000% profit when "we" collectively funded all the research.

The possibility of them 'being able to do that' is because of laws that got passed by democratically elected officials.

If you don't like that, vote someone in power who regulates that more.

The problem with these discussions is that nobody tells their opinions to their representative, they just blurt it out into the 'aether' on a rando internet forum.

True change starts with calling your representative. If they don't do what you ask them to, then have other people ask as well. Finally, have them vote them out of office if a sufficient ammount of people want the same thing that the representative won't do (eg. represent their constituents).

Re: Vaccine hopes rise as Oxford jab prompts immune response among old and young

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You don't die if you can't afford to drive on the road. That's the difference.

But most places(at least around the EU) have already announced that the vaccine will be free - so there is no question about affordability?

The taxes still paid for it twice

Re: Vaccine hopes rise as Oxford jab prompts immune response among old and young

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Who cares. I'd gladly give this company a couple of billion if it means they can get us back to normal. Oxford develops the vaccine with public money. We also, god willing, need to manufacture billions of them and transport them around the globe. For that manufacturing, give me a solid existing multinational with a proven manufacturing record and base please, not some non-profit startup.

As a US taxpayer, I care. Why am I paying twice for the same product, that makes the outcome worse for everyone on average.

Luckily for you, Oxford University is British. Public funding refers to the UK governement. Btw AstraZeneca is also British.

Re: Vaccine hopes rise as Oxford jab prompts immune response among old and young

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The patent protects from somebody simply copying the formula. Which is many orders of magnitude cheaper than doing research and development, especially on human subjects.

Why does that matter if the research and development costs were publicly funded?

Trials and regulatory approvals are a huge cost too.

If the government paid for all of that (including opportunity costs + a decent margin), then the government should have asked for the patent rights (or at least a commitment on pricing).

Has any serious journalist looked into exactly what the world governments paid for and exactly what the deals with the drug companies look like?

All I can find are biased opinion pieces devoid of actual information.

Re: Vaccine hopes rise as Oxford jab prompts immune response among old and young

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So who will actually get the vaccine? Not me.

Admit it, you're just subconciously afraid of needles as most people. Noticed it with Trump. No way he'd take an experimental COVID vaccine, but an experimental antibody drug cocktail through the mouth was more than ok to him. Pro tip: it all ends up in the bloodstream in the end.

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Re: Vaccine hopes rise as Oxford jab prompts immune response among old and young

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Overly cautious about the herd immunity stuff here. We're not going to eliminate the virus completely. That's a given, we should stop aiming for that. If we get to a point where there's a stable number of daily deaths then we're good. (like we have for literally every single fatal illness.)

The moving average of daily deaths in the US has been stable or declining for the past two months. https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/us/

A friend of mine in public health mentioned to me that it's not uncommon for second waves of epidemics to be less deadly, since many of the people most vulnerable to the disease would have already passed away during the first wave.

Re: Vaccine hopes rise as Oxford jab prompts immune response among old and young

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Good news for US BigPharma Merck holding the Oxford patents, while public funding has paid for its research: https://archive.is/aGUJd

According to that article Merck got cut out of the deal and Oxford will get 6% royalties on the vaccine, from a UK/Swedish outfit. So nothing to do with US big pharma and Oxford will get upwards of £100m. It’s not is if they’d have got nothing out of the Merck deal either.

This is very disappointing. A lot of people are posting on this thread based on this misinformation.

Re: Vaccine hopes rise as Oxford jab prompts immune response among old and young

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Who cares. I'd gladly give this company a couple of billion if it means they can get us back to normal. Oxford develops the vaccine with public money. We also, god willing, need to manufacture billions of them and transport them around the globe. For that manufacturing, give me a solid existing multinational with a proven manufacturing record and base please, not some non-profit startup.

I care. Just like about the bailouts. Socializing the funding/losses and privatizing the profits is just pure corruption.

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Re: Vaccine hopes rise as Oxford jab prompts immune response among old and young

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Good news but still a long way to go. How's it going to be rolled out? Here in the UK we have tried and failed to get a regular flu jab (our GPs have run out of a very small supply and the pharmacies don't have any to sell) and I'm not optimistic about our chances of getting this next year or whenever it arrives.

What sources are you using here? The UK has one of the best vaccination coverage rates in the world, and the largest ever roll out of the winter flu jab is well underway (reaching a record breaking ~50% of the population).
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