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The U.S. tried to build a new fleet of ventilators

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Re: The U.S. tried to build a new fleet of ventilators

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> Because you're making a point of singling out every single reply in this thread that you disagree with, and making your objection about the user posting the comment rather than the comment yourself. I don't believe that is true, but even if it was, I don't understand why that would motivate you to change the subject. A reason I can easily think of though is that I believe you've unjustly accused someone of making a…

No.

Good answer!

Re: The U.S. tried to build a new fleet of ventilators

#332

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No.

No, as in you are unable to provide evidence, or no as in your are unwilling ?

Poor answer. Your postings are being flagged, downvoted, and you're on your way to getting banned. Keep answering like that, and you will be gone. And it will be easy for us to recognize you next time you make another troll account, so don't try it again.

Re: The U.S. tried to build a new fleet of ventilators

#333

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Claiming that untrained staff could administer a ventilator from a 30 day bootcamp fits under that definition.

Perhaps I missed it, could you quote the text of that claim, please?

Don't anyone bother replying to this obvious sealioning troll technique. He has no intention of carrying out any kind of sincere argument, and his politeness is totally fake: he has no respect for anyone he's arguing with, he's just trying to waste everyone's time.

Of course he saw it, but he didn't like what he saw, so now he's pretending to have missed it on purpose, so repeating the facts he's ignoring won't make one bit of difference, and is just the two steps backwards he wants.

Notice how he always tries to repeat this same pattern in so many other postings, and don't reply to any of his attempts at trolling, except to explicitly point out what he's doing. And remember to flag him every time he does it, please!

Re: The U.S. tried to build a new fleet of ventilators

#334

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Among other things! I dunno what it is, the internet + Donald Trump that does this to people? Too much fighting, even among people who are mostly ideologically aligned.

Hmmm, it seems like the idea that we have too much fighting is not very popular. Maybe I have it completely backwards, maybe we need more fighting.

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Re: The U.S. tried to build a new fleet of ventilators

#335

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Technically, it is the skill level. Indeed there is a very strong causal relationship between skill and experience, but we have no data in the realm being discussed so it may be helpful if we were to explicitly realize we are speculating, as I'd think this may improve the quality of our thinking and decision making.

What value did you add to this conversation?

His goal is to subtract value from as many conversations as he can in parallel, and waste as much of everyone's time as possible.

Re: The U.S. tried to build a new fleet of ventilators

#336

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> But seriously, the amount of people on here trivializing modern medicine isn't helping matters. It's absolutely incredible. But that's exactly the kind of attitude that 'move fast and break things' fosters.

"Trivializing modern medicine" seems inconsistent with what I've read here, can you quote the text where someone has done this?

Nobody wants to respond to your attempts at sealioning. Quoting text to you isn't going to change your mind or behavior.

Everything you've written here is inconsistent and contradictory, and you desperately try to derail the conversation and change the subject whenever anyone points that out, then you run away when you realize you've painted yourself into a corner and are getting called on it.

Just look at how many downvotes and flags you're getting, and how many of your postings are light colored, dead, and hidden. You're well on your way to a shadow ban. I wonder how long it will take you to figure it out that the only people replying to you have "showdead" set to true, because they love to see you floundering.

If somebody's paying you by the hour for trolling, then they certainly are not getting their money's worth, because the moderation system is working, as the text in your posts becomes lighter and lighter until your posts are hidden and nobody sees them, thankfully.

Go back to Gamergate where you came from, mistermann.

Re: The U.S. tried to build a new fleet of ventilators

#338

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No, it's that I'm aware that "ventilator bootcamps" would be a resounding failure that would kill more people than it saves. Going from zero to medical professional - not a doctor, just someone who can perform invasive medical procedures without killing a large number of people - isn't 30 days of work. Ignoring that reality will recklessly endanger people's lives. If we're talking veterinarians, dentists, nurses, res…

Are you aware of the degree to which your interpretation of his words is inconsistent with his actual words? It is significant.

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Re: The U.S. tried to build a new fleet of ventilators

#339

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Not voted in any way, but I cannot figure out what you tried to tell and how that would contribute to this discussion.

The short answer is, much of what we believe, both individually and collectively, is simply incorrect. In this case, my perception is that a person believed something to be untrue due to the idea having been labelled a conspiracy theory, and then after reading this story, he was less confident in the belief. Generalized, we might state this as: the perception of high accuracy in our beliefs is illusory. Not only does…

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Re: The U.S. tried to build a new fleet of ventilators

#340

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Thank you! His pattern of sealioning is outrageously obvious and blatantly unoriginal and formulaic. It's as if he has a dog-eared copy of "Sealioning for Dummies" marked up with yellow highter pen and bookmarked with post-it pads, that he's following step by step, page by page, checking off each technique and trick as he tries it. Sealioning is related to the Gish Gallop, to which there are some countermeasures that…

It gets under my skin too (as is the intention), but I think the best tactic is to just flag trolling comments into oblivion, and otherwise ignore to the extent that it's possible. With enough of flags the comments will be moderated out and disappear. Continued trolling will probably result in a ban, as will perpetuating flamewars.

I agree. And he'll be very easy to recognize when he tries to create another sockpuppet account to troll with after he's banned, so we'll just flag that one too when we recognize him trying again.
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