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Re: “My GitHub account has been restricted due to US sanctions as I live in Crimea”

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Post by compuguy »

colechristensen wrote: post #140
shmerl wrote: post #75

So it affects even those who aren't Russian citizens (let's say Ukranian citizens) who live in Crimea?

According to Crimea and Russia and the basic facts on the ground, people living in Crimea are Russian citizens and have been for 5 years, Russia has poured billions into the region's infrastructure. While it was definitely engineered by Russia doing things to violate the sovereignty of Ukraine 1) The US and all the powerful nations around the world do this kind of crap all the time and have a long history of it 2) It…

The US doesn't have a recent history of annexing countries. The US did do this in the 19th and early to mid 20th centuries. The current Russian government does have a recent history of invading/annexing countries though (Crimea and portions of Georgia, the country not the US state).

Re: “My GitHub account has been restricted due to US sanctions as I live in Crimea”

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Post by compuguy »

mrrrgn wrote: post #272
gdy wrote: post #254

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"The idea behind the sanctions is in the end to make the life of the populous sufficiently difficult so they will rebel." Isn't it evil? I mean, if you don't believe the results of referendum and subsequent Gallop's poll, than sanctions are intentionally hurting people who are victims of Russian occupation. And if you do believe that overwhelming majority of Crimean people support reunification with Russia, the sanct…

> I don't remember any sanctions on Chechen republic after it separated from Russia, for example. The double standards are all explained by geopolitical maneuvering. Western powers pulled Kiev into their orbit and threatened to use that influence to harm Russia's economic and military capabilities. The tl;dr is that Russia needs access to warm water ports. They were happy to lease a port from the Ukraine until rumors…

In that case Russia should of renegotiated the deal, instead of invading a portion of a sovereign country (the Ukraine)..

Re: “My GitHub account has been restricted due to US sanctions as I live in Crimea”

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Post by deadmetheny »

ribasushi wrote: post #214
smsm42 wrote: post #178

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> It seems like the US has become what the USSR was As somebody who actually lived in the USSR I call bullshit on this. There's a huge difference between arresting people for saying something the powers don't like and restricting business links to certain aggressive dictatorial regimes. True, many citizens of those regimes suffer twice - once because they live under a dictatorial regime and second time because of the…

... there's absolutely no indication US is anywhere close to have it ... what I am hearing every day is how there's too much free speech and how it should be suppressed ... You said this in 2 consecutive sentences. Please reconsider your position. -- another USSRian

I read it as being the people living here calling for suppression of free speech, not the government proper, and I agree with that take.

Re: “My GitHub account has been restricted due to US sanctions as I live in Crimea”

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Post by jessaustin »

buran wrote: post #305
jessaustin wrote: post #89

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1954, when USSR voluntarily transferred Crimea to its then-vassal state Ukraine, was 65 years ago, not 1,000.

Crimea and Kuban were removed from Ukraine after soviet occupation, then "gifted" back in exchange for other territories of Ukraine of same size. However, Ukrainians, Tatars, and Greeks were exterminated first, to free space for Russian colonists.

1783 was also not 1,000 years ago.

Re: “My GitHub account has been restricted due to US sanctions as I live in Crimea”

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Post by maxheadroom »

colechristensen wrote: post #328
maxheadroom wrote: post #233

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> They would be doing that to prevent money laundering, trying to stop people going to sanctioned places and transferring money around for the locals at a hefty profit. (in other words, not the opposite of the intent of the law) Did they forget we have modern inventions, like VPN and airplanes? Localising it to Ukraine (in this context) sounds like they're generally just after the low-hanging fruit (read: the poor wh…

It's the result of a risk calculation with limited information. Hanging out near war zones and sanctioned countries significantly increases the chance that you're committing financial crimes, so when they have some information that you're doing that kind of thing you're much more likely to trip an alarm. VPNs don't help you with bank apps that report your GPS position. Sanctions aren't particularly excellent at stopp…

>Hanging out near war zones and sanctioned countries significantly increases the chance that you're committing financial crimes...

Citizens of Ukraine are just "hanging out" in Ukraine? We're still talking about Ukraine being sanctioned because of Crimea, aren't we? Or have you unintentionally broadened the scope of the discussion?

Wouldn't it be more truthful to say that citizens of a country sanctioned and/or that have become war zones are at an increased chanced to do things (however uncolourful) to survive as a direct result of that very same reality?

Re: “My GitHub account has been restricted due to US sanctions as I live in Crimea”

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Post by shitgoose »

divan wrote: post #241
egorfine wrote: post #221

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Ukrainian society is ill and this is one of the recent inflammations that hurts. Being unable to fix roads or economy, they have directed their frustration towards symbolic things, fighting everyone who calls Kiev "Kiev" instead of "Kyiv", renaming streets, etc. Now they have decided that "the Ukraine" is somehow referencing Ukraine as a territory and not a state. God knows where any of this comes from, but any "patr…

This is false dilemma fallacy – there is no link between "unable to fix roads" and "s/Kiev/Kyiv/" renaming. "Kiev" is a transcription from Russian – which was an official language in USSR, but is not official in Ukraine. Renaming streets is also part of decommunisation process, which is common among post-Soviet countries. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Decommunization Also, calling society "ill" is offensive, and if y…

listening to your conversation - good luck to both of you guys:)! keep spelling!

Re: “My GitHub account has been restricted due to US sanctions as I live in Crimea”

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Post by Sommer_Son »

jwieczorek wrote: post #313
rimliu wrote: post #224

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Not thanks to Russia for the occupation?

Please, let's look at the facts. Here we have a case where the population of the territory in question would in no way describe this state of affairs as an occupation . They did vote in favour of Crimea becoming part of Russia and the international objections have to do with legal concerns, not the well-being of the population (with, at most, an exception of some Crimean Tatars, but they're a small minority). So, the…

Yes, let's look at the facts.

Russia invaded Ukraine, broke into Crimean parliament and held illegal referendum _after_ that.

So, sanctions were not because of the referendum, but because of invasion.

Re: “My GitHub account has been restricted due to US sanctions as I live in Crimea”

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Post by riku_iki »

jwieczorek wrote: post #327
riku_iki wrote: post #319

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US government doesn't know if people who access github will contribute, or just take and use including military and government applications.

There's hardly any military work that would involve using code from GitHub in Crimea. All the R&D is done in mainland Russia. This targets common people who use GitHub for their pet projects or just regular work. In general, this thread demonstrates that here there's very little understanding about the mass psychology of Russians, and, really, any nation other than Americans. No one in Crimea is going to rebel agains…

> There's hardly any military work that would involve using code from GitHub in Crimea. All the R&D is done in mainland Russia. This targets common people who use GitHub for their pet projects or just regular work.

I disagree with you, Russia has clear intent to move/restore navy projects in Crimea: https://www.maritime-executive.com/article/russian-navy-resu... US government doesn't specifically target github, but all commercial activities in Crimea.

> Well, except they won't

This is not correct, current sanctions target specific list of people and major companies in financial, military and oil industries. The goal of sanctions is to weaken Russia's economy in specific sectors.

Re: “My GitHub account has been restricted due to US sanctions as I live in Crimea”

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Post by my_first_acct »

lacampbell wrote: post #246
my_first_acct wrote: post #166

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Are you asking me? I would find it hard to be consistent: Kosovo, Abkhazia, Palestine, Chechnya, Crimea, so many choices to make, so many fine differences, so much tangled history. I do (retrospectively) support the US decision in 1861 to prevent the Confederate states from seceding, despite the expressed will of the white, property-owning part of the local population, so there's that.

Sounds like you pick and choose based on how much you like the ethnic group in question - which is exactly why Russia supports it for Crimea but not for Chechnya. Ethnic conflicts aren't soccer matches where you should pick a team to support.

In this discussion, I've explicitly (and quite off topic) expressed support for the Union side in the US Civil War, and I've implicitly supported Ukraine's side in the Crimean dispute. I don't think that gives you enough data points to deduce whether I choose sides on the basis of ethnicity, or because of a liking for the letter U, or (most probable?) a curmudgeonly dislike of change.
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