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Post by egorfine »

shitgoose wrote: post #156
rcfox wrote: post #47

Earlier quoted context omitted.

FYI: It's just "Ukraine", not "the Ukraine". "The Ukraine" referred to the Ukrainian Soviet Socialist Republic in the Soviet Union.

"The Ukraine" referred to the Ukrainian Soviet Socialist Republic in the Soviet Union. no disrespect, but there is this coming from?!

Ukrainian society is ill and this is one of the recent inflammations that hurts.

Being unable to fix roads or economy, they have directed their frustration towards symbolic things, fighting everyone who calls Kiev "Kiev" instead of "Kyiv", renaming streets, etc. Now they have decided that "the Ukraine" is somehow referencing Ukraine as a territory and not a state. God knows where any of this comes from, but any "patriotic" idea gets boosted immediately no matter how stupid.

Source: am Ukrainian.

Re: “My GitHub account has been restricted due to US sanctions as I live in Crimea”

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Post by alacombe »

pvg wrote: post #92
kragen wrote: post #6

During the Cold War, the primary thing that distinguished the US side from the USSR side was that, while speech by USSR people and people sympathetic to the USSR (like, say, CPUSA) was published in the US, publishing speech sympathetic to the US in the USSR would get you arrested. It seems like the US has become what the USSR was: companies who publish speech from people in Iran or Crimea are now violating the law by…

It seems like the US has become what the USSR was Not it doesn't, unless you want it to seem that way. but then, for the first couple of decades, neither did the USSR. The USSR very much had these within the first years, not decades. One of the most famous germinal camps: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Solovki_prison_camp Learn from history. We should, but it's useful to get the history right first.

Canadian bill C-16 and so called "human right tribunals" are getting close to USSR's "tribunals" (or mockery of thereof).

Re: “My GitHub account has been restricted due to US sanctions as I live in Crimea”

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Post by alacombe »

kragen wrote: post #115
pvg wrote: post #92

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It seems like the US has become what the USSR was Not it doesn't, unless you want it to seem that way. but then, for the first couple of decades, neither did the USSR. The USSR very much had these within the first years, not decades. One of the most famous germinal camps: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Solovki_prison_camp Learn from history. We should, but it's useful to get the history right first.

Solovki in 1929 — or even 1939, after Stalin's first big purges — was a few thousand people. That does not amount to a "massive prison camp system full of political dissidents." You can easily find that many in the US today who are in jail for "resisting arrest" and "disorderly conduct" and such crimes against police-officer pride, and of course there are well-known controversial US concentration camps for political…

"Political refugee attempting to exercise their right to seek asylum from persecution" can do so LEGALLY at any official border crossing. Crossing the border ILLEGALLY makes you a criminal, by definition.

Re: “My GitHub account has been restricted due to US sanctions as I live in Crimea”

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Post by rimliu »

pessimizer wrote: post #194
piranha wrote: post #183

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Your point 3 is complete bullshit. Crimea was part of Russian empire since 1783. During that time Ukraine was also a part of Russian empire - mind you, not autonomic one. After empire collapse in USSR Crimea administratively belonged to Russian SFSR up to 1954, since when it was a part of Ukrainian SSR. So it’s a part of Ukraine for the last 60 years.

It would only be complete bullshit if the Ukrainian SSR wasn't a part of the USSR. Since it was, point 3 is completely true.

So if something is in Ukraine while it is in USSR it is not in Ukraine? I fail to follow the logic here.

Re: “My GitHub account has been restricted due to US sanctions as I live in Crimea”

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Post by A2017U1 »

waste_monk wrote: post #197
A2017U1 wrote: post #189

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This is just silly. I prefer to be in none, like a free human being treated with some basic rights. You won't find that in the US or China. As much as it hurts some people's sensibilities think that's a fair thing to say. I'd be terrified to be a black person in many places in the United States. Hilariously think China is actually more free for the average human. Spent fair amount of time in both and as an outsider i…

>Hilariously think China is actually more free for the average human Until you're critical of the party leadership, or have forbidden religious beliefs, and then you get whisked away to a concentration camp (if you're lucky!) or get surgically parted out for organ transplants, often without anaesthetic. The US has plenty of problems, but to say China is more free is a very distasteful and not particularly funny joke.

Is that not right there in my comment?

Y'all need to take a serious fucking step back and evaluate the words said here. I love America and everyone in it. People stateside are incredibly nice people on the whole and sometimes you need a rude foreigner to say some blunt stuff for the sake of honesty.

Get a grip on these criticisms mate. I stand by everything said above. It's fucking true and challenge you to prove otherwise.

I wouldn't care nor be commenting if I didn't like you guys, leave the nationalism at the door please.

China is far more free. 100% stand by that statement. Have you tried living there lately?

Its astounding how many people are willfully ignoring what's happening in the biggest country on Earth for the sake of some sort of nationalist pride matter. Do so at your peril. Honestly. The media is straight up lying to you about what's happening there and yet people lap it up.

Re: “My GitHub account has been restricted due to US sanctions as I live in Crimea”

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Post by [deleted] »

gotts wrote: post #65
option wrote: post #21

sanctions like these only alienate (otherwise mostly pro-democracy) people from US/West. Do impose sanctions on individuals who are associated with the rules of undemocratic regimes. But punishing whole populations (especially if they don’t have a democratic voice in the matter) is dumb and immoral.

What's the alternative? Keeping the status quo and pretending like nothing significant happened when some country decides to annex another country's soil in 21th century? In that case loosing moral ground would alienate people from US/West even more.

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Post by lazyjones »

dragonwriter wrote: post #204
lazyjones wrote: post #200

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> It's the most diverse political landscape. That could potentially mean it's much more democratic than the US. Democracy doesn't require a lot of parties, it requires that the people actually have the power to elect someone in charge. The EP is powerless and none of the EC members are elected or can be removed by a public vote.

> Democracy doesn't require a lot of parties, it requires that the people actually have the power to elect someone in charge. No, this problem has been studied and democracy (that is, rule by the people) empirically requires an electoral system that had the capacity to support multiple competitive parties; to the extent systems artificially limit the option space they produce results that are not representative of th…

> No, this problem has been studied and democracy (that is, rule by the people) empirically requires an electoral system that had the capacity to support multiple competitive parties

First democracy: ca. 500 BC

First political parties: ca. 1800 AD

We could discuss in detail whether the EU system or the US system enforces more artificial limits, in the end the EC remains much less democratic due to its relative power and independence from the electorate.

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Post by n4r9 »

alacombe wrote: post #220
smsm42 wrote: post #178

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> It seems like the US has become what the USSR was As somebody who actually lived in the USSR I call bullshit on this. There's a huge difference between arresting people for saying something the powers don't like and restricting business links to certain aggressive dictatorial regimes. True, many citizens of those regimes suffer twice - once because they live under a dictatorial regime and second time because of the…

> arresting people for saying something the powers don't like You just described what's happening in the UK or Canada. Yet, I give it, neither have "free speech", but moral point remain that what happened in the USSR is happening today in the western world.

We have hate crime laws in the UK under which you can get arrested for making statements which are grossly offensive towards someone's ethnicity, creed etc... . That's vastly different from arresting people for criticising the government.

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Post by habnds »

pyrale wrote: post #210
smsm42 wrote: post #179

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You confuse trade war with censorship. I'll explain the difference. Censorship is based on content: if you can say "long live Communist Party" but can't say "long live Republican Party", that's censorship. Trade war is based on origin: if you are not allowed to do trade (business) or provide services to residents of certain place, regardless of the content or purpose, that's embargo. > If that's not a free speech iss…

> Censorship is based on content: if you can say "long live Communist Party" but can't say "long live Republican Party", that's censorship. Using that definition, censoring all publications of a given group (say, black people) would not be censorship. That's a big hole in the definition.

discriminating on the basis of race is banned separately. This would probably be addressed by the equal protection clause of the 14th amendment, not free speech under the first.
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