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The Huawei Disaster Reveals Google’s Iron Grip on Android

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Re: The Huawei Disaster Reveals Google’s Iron Grip on Android

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Post by IllogicalLogic »

kpremote wrote: post #293
clwg wrote: post #281

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Fundamentally I would say yes, however most of the countries that the US would likely do this to (Russia, Iran, China, Cuba) have contingencies in place through the implementation of country wide intranets[0][1]. Within those countries you also have localized social, financial and e-commerce services that minimize the general populations dependency on foreign companies and services. So the US could cut cut them off o…

China's economy is very export dependent. If Chinese businesses cannot use internet to access a lot of U.S. allies, it would suffer badly. For example if, say, all U.K's companies are not allowed to use email or skype to talk to the Chinese, or all U.S., Canada and Australia, etc. web sites are not accessible from China because of some executive orders or laws by the U.S. (similar to google complying with the order c…

Exports only account for 18% of China's GDP.

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Post by IllogicalLogic »

pertymcpert wrote: post #268
roboys wrote: post #255

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They are building infrastructure across the whole continent, connecting all major ports. Expect that this will cause a decline in EU GDP as the remnants of colonialism get displaced/replaced.

Why would it cause a GDP decline? A strong Africa is good for the entire world economy. Another billion wealthy people to buy goods and services, travel and invest.

GDP would increase, correct. As a percentage of global GDP, it will decline.

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Post by enitihas »

rvp-x wrote: post #123
alkonaut wrote: post #8

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The app ecosystem is a mess on AOSP. It feels like google just uses it to show a faux openness but there is no way that a non-enthusiast will get the experience they have in one of the 2 (formerly 3) major brand app stores. And that's really what this is about: app ecosystems. Making a good OS is easy, but getting mindshare/appshare is difficult (as microsoft learned the hard way). AOSP makes no difference I think. I…

I assume a large company like Huawei can replicate the play store experience. Is there anything stopping them from creating a mirror of the most popular .apks?

Copyright?

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Post by enitihas »

smadurange wrote: post #145
enitihas wrote: post #5

Yeah, and it also reveals what the world would look like if Windows phone won instead of android. Atleast for Android you have AOSP, which is atleast somewhat open source. If Windows phone and iOS were the only two alternatives, a ban on a phone company like huwaei would be a death sentence. Can't do much with windows or iOS.

A propreiatry software is better than a bullshit opensource software. At least you know what you are getting into.

There shouldn't be any problem than. Huwaei or anyone else can make their own "proprietary" operating system, since it is better than "a bullshit opensource software", and they can happily get higher margins there and be happy forever.

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Post by bregma »

seabrookmx wrote: post #304
bregma wrote: post #223

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QNX developer here. I don't think what you're saying is true. QNX has patents registered in the USA, and in other countries, but that's hardly relevant. It's a Canadian company owned by a Canadian corporation. BB10, on the other hand, is dead and buried. It would be easier to port something like UBPort's Ubuntu Touch to QNX as an alternative to Android.

What's QNX used for nowadays? Car infotainment systems? Anything else standout?

You can run your in-car infotainment system on Linux, Mac OS, or Windows. QNX can run your brakes and your ignition. Your car dashboard (cockpit console). Your insulin pump. You cancer treatment radiotherapy device. Interplanetary space probes. High-speed rail systems. Everywhere you need software to just always work without a "Windows has experienced a problem and needs to restart" or the Linux equivalent of just silently hanging and requiring a hard power cycle. QNX predates phones by decades, the BB10 was just a passing thing.

But sure, it's also in infotainment systems and at the heart of self-driving cars.

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Post by JohnFen »

birksherty wrote: post #324
ehonda wrote: post #159

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I have both an S9 and a BlackBerry Q10 on me every day. The BB10 OS, even though its now defunct, was designed in a way that it is FAR easier and more practical to use. I really, really hate the Android interface as a result. 1: BlackBerry hub is a lot nicer to view messages 2: Smart use of Bezel gestures makes it much easier to actually interact with the phone: -If you want to access the hub while using an app, you…

How the buttons that are always there cumbersome? I personally don't like gestures. You have to remember and get used to them. Then suddenly in a major update they will change everything to new "cooler" gesture, re-learn and get used to it again. Year after year that happens. Compare that to buttons. You can always see them, so no need to remember anything. Older people also able to use them. Of course new shiny mobi…

I'm with you. I couldn't make gestures into something that was good for me. My current phone lacks physical buttons (except for power and volume up/down), and I've never stopped missing them -- it's my #1 complaint about the phone.

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Post by krackers »

novaRom wrote: post #193
jdright wrote: post #141

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After this fiasco, I'm more than ever willing to change to Huawei. Best yet if they change to a platform not based on Android. I'm done with Google (and Android soon) in every possible way.

As first step I switched from terrible Android TV to WebOs and it's absolutely amazing OS. I wonder why nobody is using it in smartphones.

>WebOs and it's absolutely amazing OS. I wonder why nobody is using it in smartphones.

It used to be [1], but was a victim of HP's incompetence.

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palm_Pre

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Post by glglwty »

TsomArp wrote: post #97
noselasd wrote: post #88

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Both are true. Google cut off Huawei because the US government told them to.

It is not like they had an option. They are a US based company. They must do it.

They can move their HQ somewhere else.

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Post by seabrookmx »

bregma wrote: post #335
seabrookmx wrote: post #304

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What's QNX used for nowadays? Car infotainment systems? Anything else standout?

You can run your in-car infotainment system on Linux, Mac OS, or Windows. QNX can run your brakes and your ignition . Your car dashboard (cockpit console). Your insulin pump. You cancer treatment radiotherapy device. Interplanetary space probes. High-speed rail systems. Everywhere you need software to just always work without a "Windows has experienced a problem and needs to restart" or the Linux equivalent of just s…

QNX being built from the ground up as a realtime system is a big part of it's reliability and suitability to these tasks I imagine?

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Post by writepub »

geezerjay wrote: post #321
writepub wrote: post #263

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Google's Play store is Google property, isn't a part of AOSP and isn't open source. One voluntarily chooses to install play store on phones without it, or, if you're philosophically against it, use a competitor's store. Better, go build your own store, as many companies have. Or sideload apps. Heck, build your own phone when. All possible because Google does NOT exert influence on the open source parts of Android, sp…

It seems you've missed the point. Additinally, the Apple whataboutism is a non-sequitur that adds zero to the discussion.

There is no point you are making about the OS (Android) by claiming Google controls an app (Play Store) running on top of the OS. The OS itself is free and open source and devoid of Google control - ample examples have been cited in my comments.

Cheers

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