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Re: My dog was killed on a walk with a walker ordered through Wag

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Incredibly stupid decision to respond this way by Wag. How bad to you have to be at PR to screw this up? It's not hard. Liability in the case of harmed pets is extremely limited, so you just pay it all and apologize profusely. There's no way the bad press will be worth saving a couple thousand maximum. Absolute idiots.

The thing Wag screwed up was its total lack of empathy in trying to buy silence. > a couple thousand maximum Maximum? Many pups cost more than this and you'd be paying to replace at least. You might also be paying for any amount of vet bills if the animal isn't killed on the spot. If you hit a service or working dog, be ready to shell out tens of thousands for replacement due to the unique tasks performed (not all do…

In terms of going after the driver: My parents showed dogs semi-professionally; however, when I learned to drive my father taught me that if an animal darts into the road you can slow down, but you don't swerve to miss it since that can cause an accident.

It's certainly possible that the driver was at fault if they were speeding or driving recklessly, but like another commenter mentioned I don't think we know enough to say.

Re: My dog was killed on a walk with a walker ordered through Wag

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I realize this wasn't the point of the story, and I'm so sorry this happened to anyone's dog. But please do not buy dogs from breeders when there are plenty of amazing dogs waiting to be rescued at shelters.

Just to point out, Shelters are only really active in North America and a few European countries. Everyone else simply buys from the best breeders, and that’s mostly because lots of dog lovers are looking for something particular, like temperament, costmetic appearance, purity of bloodline, health history of the entire pedigree(mainly to know what kinda health problems to expect) etc. It’s good to know people “rescue…

I have so many bones to pick with you—please don't take this adversarially, but you are broadcasting a position on an important moral question, and I think some of your ideas and beliefs deserve to be re-examined.

> Shelters are only really active in North America and a few European countries.

I'm not sure where you got this idea, but I live in Asia (Taiwan) and can tell you for a fact that there are plenty of active shelters here and all through this side of the globe, both volunteer- and government-operated. Further, common sense tells me that there must be shelters anywhere there's an animal control department that doesn't immediately euthanize the dogs they catch. In any case, I'd hope to change your mind about breeders even if there were no shelters in your area.

> Everyone else simply buys from the best breeders

This is another really peculiar claim to stand behind. If people only adopt from shelters or buy from the best breeders, what are the so-so breeders doing? What about puppy mills? They account for a lot of the dogs that wind up in shelters in Taiwan (or, more precisely, their well-meaning but capricious customers do).

> It’s good to know people “rescue” or “adopt” dogs from shelters and their payment in exchange for dogs isn’t considered “buying”

This is the heart of what I want to discuss, though. There's a significant distinction between adopting a shelter dog and buying from a breeder, and this distinction is where the moral question lies:

Shelters are not in the business of producing more dogs. They are in the business of managing the human-induced problem of transient dog populations.

Breeding is part cultural practice, part commercial endeavor. I have no criticism of the cultural practice, and I think it's wonderful that there are long lineages of majestic, purebred dogs out there. But if you truly love dogs, and I mean truly love them, not _like_ family but _as_ family, then you must concede that they are all equally deserving of a home.

There is a finite supply of dog stewardship out there in the world, and it is truly dwarfed by the demand for it. Breeders manufacture more demand; shelters do not. When you say "yes" to a breeder, you aren't just saying "no" to a shelter dog. You are agreeing to raise the overall demand while keeping the supply constant. More than that, you're sponsoring it.

Stray dogs are refugees in this manufactured world of ours, clamoring for asylum. There's a _lot_ more of them then there are visas to go around, and we're paying somebody to make new refugees because these ones suit our preferences better. The ones that don't make it are literally killed and thrown into a furnace.

Please please please reconsider your stance on breeders. Of course, I understand. Breeder dogs are prettier. More impressionable. Easier to train. They don't come with baggage. You don't have to adopt the worst shelter dog out there; I guarantee that somewhere out there, there's a shelter dog that's right for you. It might be more work, but if you love dogs, don't you think they deserve it?

Re: My dog was killed on a walk with a walker ordered through Wag

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It's almost like people with an agenda have come here to comment. The GP blames the driver and another blames the dog. Without knowing any details. This is very fishy.

But being Amreica, someone has to be to blame. It can't just be an unlucky accident of circumstances.

Someone does have to be to blame even in the case of an accident. When you drive a multi ton machine at high rates of speed you are accountable for it.

Likewise when you take money for a service you are accountable for not letting their dog run into the road which is usually pretty easy for an animal on a leash.

What did wag do wrong that we know?

The walker wasn't the person on the profile. They are withholding information regarding the incident. They tried to force the victim to agree to be legally silenced in order to pay for direct costs incurred.

This is 1000 times worse than paying nothing.

Re: My dog was killed on a walk with a walker ordered through Wag

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I realize this wasn't the point of the story, and I'm so sorry this happened to anyone's dog. But please do not buy dogs from breeders when there are plenty of amazing dogs waiting to be rescued at shelters.

My wife and I got a couple of rescue dogs a few years back. I hate to say it, but it is one thing we will never do again; there's simply too many mental issues with them after they've been subjected to whatever horrors they were subjected to before they were rescued.

Thank you for sharing this; I just posted a pretty aggressive response to another comment advocating for shelters, but I think I need more of this perspective as well.

Re: My dog was killed on a walk with a walker ordered through Wag

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I was going to reply with a reply about this being "statistically bound to happen", until I read this: > If we wanted to be compensated we had to agree not to tell anyone what happened, we could not leave any negative reviews, we could not make posts on social media, we could not hold Wag or the walker responsible, and only then would Wag reimburse us for Winnie’s cremation. When we responded that we would not sign t…

Asshats.

Lesson is to never use a service in which the compensation part is somehow conditioned.

I don't eveen think that agreering to 'not seek further compensation' is an acceptablee condition for getting compensation.

Re: My dog was killed on a walk with a walker ordered through Wag

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Incredibly stupid decision to respond this way by Wag. How bad to you have to be at PR to screw this up? It's not hard. Liability in the case of harmed pets is extremely limited, so you just pay it all and apologize profusely. There's no way the bad press will be worth saving a couple thousand maximum. Absolute idiots.

> Absolute idiots Agreed. You do three things in a crisis: 1) Acknowledge the problem. You killed someone's dog. This hits like losing family. "We're opening an investigation" is a chickenshit message. 2) CEO needs to speak. Personal call from the top. If a dog is seriously injured or killed while on your watch, the CEO must make the call. This shows seriousness to the customer. It also ensures top brass feels the pa…

> You'll pay for counseling.

what?

Re: My dog was killed on a walk with a walker ordered through Wag

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> Absolute idiots Agreed. You do three things in a crisis: 1) Acknowledge the problem. You killed someone's dog. This hits like losing family. "We're opening an investigation" is a chickenshit message. 2) CEO needs to speak. Personal call from the top. If a dog is seriously injured or killed while on your watch, the CEO must make the call. This shows seriousness to the customer. It also ensures top brass feels the pa…

There was a comment that is now removed that said: > Spoken like someone who's never lost family. in reply to the parent's comment that said: > You killed someone's dog. This hits like losing family." My comment will probably be flagged as well, but fine, I'll sacrifice some karma to show my support. I lost my mother due to cancer when I was eleven and I personally find it offensive when someone tells me they know "w…

You seem to be overreacting hardcore. They didn't say it was like losing your mother. They said it was like losing family. There are many different types of relationships in families, some more or less important than others. I'm pretty sure you'd be more torn up about losing your pet who you see every day than hearing that a cousin you've seen twice in your life has passed.

What a weird thing to get worked up over.

Re: My dog was killed on a walk with a walker ordered through Wag

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There would be more social opprobrium to save the pet, and the grief would undoubtedly be greater if the pet died instead. If nobody was looking, I think most would save their pet. Unknown unrelated people simply aren't very important. Wars would be impossible if it were otherwise.

Interesting. Do you ever test your hypotheses? Here is some evidence regarding your "most" claim. https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog...

Test his hypothesis how, exactly? By putting a child and a dog into a disaster situation?

Re: My dog was killed on a walk with a walker ordered through Wag

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As someone who has lost friends and family members, as well as pets, it feels the same. I see this dichotomy quite a bit in the public discourse, regarding dogs especially, where 1/2 the world treats dogs as family and the other half thinks they are some play toy/object. We have been living with wolves/dogs for a long time now, we're responsible for how they have evolved, and part of that is how they have evolved to…

I appreciate you responding and explaining your perspective, even though we may disagree on the issue. > 1/2 the world treats dogs as family Do you think that half the world, if given the choice between saving either their dog or a stranger's child in a disaster situation (e.g. a house fire), would choose their dog?

Yes, absolutely. I know I personally would.

Now, if it was between a stranger dog and a stranger child I'd choose the child.

Re: My dog was killed on a walk with a walker ordered through Wag

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There's no way any insurance company providing the kind of commercial insurance you need to drive for Uber would be okay with a driver using someone else's Uber account, immigrant or otherwise. The finger-pointing likely to result from an incident would make this driver as good as uninsured.

Interesting story but someone I work with was actually severely rear-ended by an Uber driver heading to the airport, and she said the driver's insurance wouldn't cover the driver because the driver was acting as an Uber driver at the time of the accident. Don't know the insurance co., but I definitely remember being shocked by the fact that they wouldn't cover the driver for that reason

Well yeah, of course - my car insurance specifically doesn't cover commercial activity in my car(as well as going off road, racing or track use), so if I started driving for uber I'd be 100% uninsured until I got commercial insurance.

I think that was one of the greatest lies of Uber at the start "just drive your car for money in your free time!" - that's all great, but no private car insurance would cover you while doing that.

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