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The Phone That’s Failing Apple: iPhone XR

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Re: The Phone That’s Failing Apple: iPhone XR

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Post by ackfoo »

interlocutor wrote: post #173

Apple's problem is that their rate of innovation has slowed down. iPhone generates over a 100 Billion dollars in revenue. Per year. If any company has the resources to innovate it is Apple. Apple, here are some free ideas. Some of these ideas go beyond the phone and into cell networks. If Google can do that ( https://fi.google.com ) why can't Apple? - Improve cellular reception. We are now heavily reliant on our cell…

I agree with all your points. On the TV issue, put an SDR inside the phone. Let developers use it to decode the many signals around us, like digital broadcast television. The potential for interesting apps is enormous.

Are you listening China? Want an iPhone-killer?

Apple has descended into mediocrity at this point. Their devices are more about form than function because they have sacrificed functionality for thinness and style. They kill background processes to save battery so we can’t do anything cool.

Also, they need a company-wide press to fix the goddam bugs in the APIs. Bloody new network framework doesn’t work worth shit. I can almost forgive leaving broadcast out of IPV4, although it is crucial for many technical tasks, but leaving multicast out of IPV6? You absolute effing morons!

And geofencing is the stupidest non-functional horrendoma ever conceived by humans. You dipshits, we don’t want to know that we passed the geofence ten minutes and a mile-and-a-half ago, we want to know right-the-eff-now. What is wrong with you people?

Seriously, one of the major applications for geofencing is security. I want to draw a precise perimeter around my kid’s school and get notified the very actual moment my kid crosses that boundary. Not ten minutes later when they’ve already been picked up in a white van are are in the process of being disssembled.

And you changed the compass so that it is corrected by GPS, but you didn’t tell anyone? What is wrong with you, Apple? Are you insane? The way you do that is to create a new method, “NSHeadingWithGPSCorrection”. You don’t just change the way the existing compass heading works. You want planes to crash? Cos that’s how you get planes crashing, ya idiots.

So they need both hardware innovation and software innovation that works properly. And someone like Steve to yell at them and make them feel bad when they are being twits. RIP Steve.

Re: The Phone That’s Failing Apple: iPhone XR

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Post by [deleted] »

ackfoo wrote: post #331
interlocutor wrote: post #173

Apple's problem is that their rate of innovation has slowed down. iPhone generates over a 100 Billion dollars in revenue. Per year. If any company has the resources to innovate it is Apple. Apple, here are some free ideas. Some of these ideas go beyond the phone and into cell networks. If Google can do that ( https://fi.google.com ) why can't Apple? - Improve cellular reception. We are now heavily reliant on our cell…

I agree with all your points. On the TV issue, put an SDR inside the phone. Let developers use it to decode the many signals around us, like digital broadcast television. The potential for interesting apps is enormous. Are you listening China? Want an iPhone-killer? Apple has descended into mediocrity at this point. Their devices are more about form than function because they have sacrificed functionality for thinnes…

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Re: The Phone That’s Failing Apple: iPhone XR

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Post by MagnumOpus »

saagarjha wrote: post #252
shanghaiaway wrote: post #242

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They skimped on RAM. No finger print scanner. Falling behind in photography. Poor OS.

> They skimped on RAM. How so? > No finger print scanner. It’s not like they didn’t replace this with something else… > Falling behind in photography. By what metric? iPhone is still competitive with leading Android flagships, as it always has been. > Poor OS. “Poor” is not a very descriptive word.

> iPhone [photography] is still competitive with leading Android flagships

Nope, for the first time it is isn't even close to Huawei phones, let alone the Pixel 3 in both low-light performance and zoom performance.

Re: The Phone That’s Failing Apple: iPhone XR

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Post by raydev »

addicted wrote: post #186
lostlogin wrote: post #13

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I’d take a high spec small phone. This is apparently an unusual thing to want.

I haven’t understood why Apple doesn’t simply do this. They know from the laptop market that people are more than willing to pay different prices for different t sizes. Instead of differentiating their phones based on features, they should simply differentiate them based on screen size. That would allow them to meet several price points without making their customers feel like they’re cheap.

I think it's highly likely we'll see the SE return (or it's spritual successor).

Remember, the SE was released outside of the usual iPhone release cycle in March 2016, so I think intent for a longer cycle was clear.

Lots of people predicted between 2 and 3 years before the SE got an update, so if March 2019 passes without an announcement, then who knows what's next.

Also, I think there's a high probability they're trying to work out the kinks in an SE-sized phone that is all screen. I'd be surprised if they released the SE2 and it has a home button.

Re: The Phone That’s Failing Apple: iPhone XR

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Post by josteink »

shliachtx wrote: post #319
dandare wrote: post #316

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I vaguely remember from Jobs' biography by Isacson that if you are not willing to cannibalize your own market share with a cheaper product someone else will do that for you. I am not 100% if it was Jobs who said that though.

“One of Job's business rules was to never be afraid of cannibalizing yourself. " If you don't cannibalize yourself, someone else will," he said. So even though an Iphone might cannibalize sales of an IPod, or an IPad might cannibalize sales of a laptop, that did not deter him.”[0] The idea being pushed is cannibalization by a better product, not lower prices. [0] https://www.goodreads.com/quotes/908575-one-of-job-s-b…

But for many people the iPhone mini would be a better product than todays iPhone mega.

Re: The Phone That’s Failing Apple: iPhone XR

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Post by eeeeeeeeeeeee »

michaelt wrote: post #298
protomyth wrote: post #5

I cannot help but think that an iPhone XR mini would have been a great seller if it hit the $450 range. I just don't understand Apple these days, its like they have reverted to the early 90's where they kept jacking the price until even the loyal customers had to exit the ship. I had so believed they would repeat the iPod strategy and start at the top end and slowly squeeze the market by introducing models that fille…

Apple will sell you a new iPhone 7 32GB for $449 [1] So they already have an offering in that price band. Sure, it's bigger than the iPhone SE, and naturally it doesn't have the prestige of something that costs twice as much, but if you want a new iPhone today and you've got $450, Apple has a product for you. [1] https://www.apple.com/shop/buy-iphone/iphone-7

But you’d only make that choice if you really, really want to be in the Apple ecosystem. Especially in China, there just doesn’t seem to be the same drive from consumers, even if it’s likely affected by Chinese government policies regarding cloud services.

Re: The Phone That’s Failing Apple: iPhone XR

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Post by shaklee3 »

volkl48 wrote: post #92
shaklee3 wrote: post #77

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It doesn't contradict the theory. People can update to a later OS if they want to by visiting XDA. Just because they don't doesn't mean it's not possible.

And people who would do that are a tiny rounding error in comparison to the general market. For 99%+ of the general market, if the update is not available by clicking update in their phone, it doesn't exist and end of support is when the carrier/OEM stops releasing them.

I never said that those people were the majority, nor did I say that everyone does it. Neither did the original poster. all we said was that it is possible to do, and you made the assertion about how many people do it.

Re: The Phone That’s Failing Apple: iPhone XR

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Post by michaelt »

zamadatix wrote: post #321
michaelt wrote: post #298

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Apple will sell you a new iPhone 7 32GB for $449 [1] So they already have an offering in that price band. Sure, it's bigger than the iPhone SE, and naturally it doesn't have the prestige of something that costs twice as much, but if you want a new iPhone today and you've got $450, Apple has a product for you. [1] https://www.apple.com/shop/buy-iphone/iphone-7

It's also burned through roughly half it's support lifecycle already meaning it's about the same as buying an actually "new" $900 phone over time. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_iOS_devices#iPhone

Sure, unless you drop it and have to replace it before the support lifecycle ends.

Re: The Phone That’s Failing Apple: iPhone XR

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Post by paul7986 »

jakobegger wrote: post #156
paul7986 wrote: post #89

Bought and returned iPhone XS... - It lacks a home button - It lacks Touch ID which unlocks your phone instantly before meeting your face (need this when sitting idle in traffic). Face ID takes longer.. that's bad UX and possibly dangerous UX which probably has caused some dummies (many out there) to have accidents. - It's too big ... i can not text with one hand as Ive done with my 8 and all models before.

> need this when sitting idle in traffic > has caused some dummies to have accidents I love the lack of self-awareness...

I’m aware I’m the dummy at times when stuck in traffic.

Though how many millions of dummies are there unfortunately?

Re: The Phone That’s Failing Apple: iPhone XR

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Post by ryanwaggoner »

microtonal wrote: post #309
ryanwaggoner wrote: post #304

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AirPods prove this wrong.

I have two pairs of AirPods. Technically they are a marvel, but their design is quite ugly (large white bars).

I disagree, but I’m not sure where else we can go with this, since it’s a matter of taste :)
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