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Tesla meets self-imposed deadline for Model 3, rolls out 5000 cars in a week

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Re: Tesla meets self-imposed deadline for Model 3, rolls out 5000 cars in a week

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Post by dang »

dayaz36 wrote: post #328
pooya13 wrote: post #249

Leave it to CNBC and HN to take such a success story by Tesla and turn it on its head to call it a failure. 1- Emphasizing the 5hr delay as opposed to the almost 5k figure WHEN THEY THEMSELVES SAID A FEW MONTHS AGO THAT TESLA WON'T PRODUCE MORE THAN 2k PER WEEK 2- Accusing Tesla of having low production quality in their tent line without any evidence 3- Criticizing Tesla for not being able to produce performance and…

Not surprised the only sane and accurate comment is grayed out at the bottom of the thread. HN is filled to the brink with anti-tesla shill bots. The astroturfing is so obvious it's comical. That's why I don't ever trust HN comments..

The community is obviously divided about this. That's not the same thing as "astroturfing". The guidelines ask you not to insinuate that without evidence, so please don't.

https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

Re: Tesla meets self-imposed deadline for Model 3, rolls out 5000 cars in a week

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Post by SpecialistEMT »

gizmo wrote: post #124
panarky wrote: post #103

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Imagine that today is July 1, 2020. Looking back I see three scenarios. 1) It's clear now that the company is a sham and Musk is a snake-oil salesman. It's all smoke, mirrors, bubblegum and baling wire. After hitting 5000 cars per week one time, they never reached that level again. The company had to do a punishingly dilutive capital raise just to get 6 months more runway, and the company's market cap is now $6 billi…

Why should Tesla be worth 600B if they produce 2 million cars a year? Toyota makes 10M cars per year and has a market cap of less than 300B. Future growth is already baked into Tesla's current valuation of 60B. They're not making any money today (in fact they're losing billions) but they have a high market cap because they might become profitable years from now. Once (if) they become a mature car manufacturer their v…

Because the op makes stuff out of their ass

Re: Tesla meets self-imposed deadline for Model 3, rolls out 5000 cars in a week

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Post by chriselles »

greglindahl wrote: post #330
chriselles wrote: post #319

Hitting 5000 Model 3 Units in a single surge week is an anomaly, until it becomes a repeatable and sustainable pattern. And a pattern that includes low/no rework, because building 5000 units a week is one metric, building 5000 high quality units with no expensive rework is another metric entirely. Questions: Why would someone work in a non air conditioned tent under high stress when they could earn the equivalent wag…

Do you have a source for Tesla assembly line workers being paid the same wage as McDonalds workers?

Hmmmm....

I couldn’t actually find a McDonald’s that paid the same as the $15 starting rate for Tesla production specialist/hourly as found on Glassdoor.

My bad!

But I did find In ‘n Out Burger that offered the same.

Re: Tesla meets self-imposed deadline for Model 3, rolls out 5000 cars in a week

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Post by semi-extrinsic »

deboflo wrote: post #237
semi-extrinsic wrote: post #118

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Well, Bentley is making ~9000 cars per year with ~3000 employees. Tesla is making ~100k cars per year with ~37k employees (not counting all the subcontractors). That's exactly the same ratio, and it's bloody awful compared to large-scale car manufacturers. E.g. Toyota has 10x the number of employees as Tesla but makes 100x as many cars. Even if next year Tesla production is 5000 cars per week all year, they will stil…

Yawn. You know Tesla isn’t just a car company, right? They are an energy company as well. They have people building out the supercharger network. Software engineers writing autopilot software. Employees working at Tesla sales centers. Tesla is not structured like a traditional automaker. Stop trying to compare with false metrics.

More than 90% of their revenue in 2017 came from selling or leasing cars. That makes them a car company, full stop. If they have more than 10% of their employees doing other stuff, why on earth do they have all these employees that generate basically no revenue?

Re: Tesla meets self-imposed deadline for Model 3, rolls out 5000 cars in a week

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Post by dayaz36 »

dang wrote: post #331
dayaz36 wrote: post #328

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not surprised the only sane and accurate comment is grayed out at the bottom of the thread. HN is filled to the brink with anti-tesla shill bots. The astroturfing is so obvious it's comical. That's why I don't ever trust HN comments..

The community is obviously divided about this. That's not the same thing as "astroturfing". The guidelines ask you not to insinuate that without evidence, so please don't. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

Look at the comments. It's 90% anti-tesla and all the pro-tesla comments get down voted into oblivion. So the community is not "divided" it seems...Statistics is my evidence. The extreme slant and voting behavior of all Tesla threads, mixed with debunked misinformation peddled by oil and gas industries being presented as fact pervasively in these threads is plenty of evidence

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Post by slivym »

Kranar wrote: post #269
calinet6 wrote: post #49

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Those who know anything about manufacturing are seeing very clearly that this is unlikely, or if achieved will be done at great cost and waste. https://twitter.com/skabooshka/status/1012000014376230913

Those in the know said electric cars in general were an unpractical waste of money. I also remember three years ago hearing those in the know saying a self landing rocket would not be possible, and if it ever were made it would also be done at great cost and waste. Heck, those in the know said even a couple of months ago that Tesla would not be able to achieve 5000 Model 3s by today. The truth is, there aren't really…

Well as a first point, I think that there's a huge difference between 'This very difficult thing is probably so difficult that X' and 'I have physically seen this production line, and there's no way it's doing X'.

The first is an estimation of difficulty - probably an educated guess that could be wrong. The second is a statement based on the evidence in front of you.

Secondly, whilst it's true that people have been saying Tesla won't get to 5k/w, it's also true that Tesla were claiming they'd have a fully automated production line. If Tesla gets to 5k/w by hand-building them all then in most people's eyes they've failed. The value of Tesla is not the actual production of cars. It's the IP of their self-driving technology, and the IP for their fully automated production line. There's a reason Tesla's valuation is completely unlinked from their production capacity.

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Post by detaro »

dayaz36 wrote: post #335
dang wrote: post #331

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The community is obviously divided about this. That's not the same thing as "astroturfing". The guidelines ask you not to insinuate that without evidence, so please don't. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

Look at the comments. It's 90% anti-tesla and all the pro-tesla comments get down voted into oblivion. So the community is not "divided" it seems...Statistics is my evidence. The extreme slant and voting behavior of all Tesla threads, mixed with debunked misinformation peddled by oil and gas industries being presented as fact pervasively in these threads is plenty of evidence

I suggest you go look at the comments again with a bit more objectivity. Some of the most-greyed out comments are critical of Tesla, and you don't get 300+ comments just from people violently agreeing with each other.

Re: Tesla meets self-imposed deadline for Model 3, rolls out 5000 cars in a week

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Post by kamaal »

slivym wrote: post #336
Kranar wrote: post #269

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Those in the know said electric cars in general were an unpractical waste of money. I also remember three years ago hearing those in the know saying a self landing rocket would not be possible, and if it ever were made it would also be done at great cost and waste. Heck, those in the know said even a couple of months ago that Tesla would not be able to achieve 5000 Model 3s by today. The truth is, there aren't really…

Well as a first point, I think that there's a huge difference between 'This very difficult thing is probably so difficult that X' and 'I have physically seen this production line, and there's no way it's doing X'. The first is an estimation of difficulty - probably an educated guess that could be wrong. The second is a statement based on the evidence in front of you. Secondly, whilst it's true that people have been s…

>>The first is an estimation of difficulty - probably an educated guess that could be wrong.

Difficult things have been done all time and being done even as we speak now. Its not very hard to be positive about difficult things happening even in the present.

The real problem is the discomfort with anything new, and the fear of new order of things.

There is also a certain amount of risk taking ability that goes away when you become intelligent(expertise). That's because expertise is an investment in time, and there fore a good part of one's life. Watching that get washed away, or giving it up to start a new life is very hard. Its a huge mountain of emotion which you have to scale up and then down. People would rather let existing order of things prevail as they are.

The second part is people find it hard to put what is already done aside and start afresh. I have even forgotten the count of number of people who I have heard telling they can't learn something new, or begin on a new heading because they have travelled too long down the current path. Sometimes this is for things as simple as starting a new hobby.

So Tesla will likely win, and people won't be happy seeing it win. People are not comfortable watching live anti-thesis to their excuses.

Re: Tesla meets self-imposed deadline for Model 3, rolls out 5000 cars in a week

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Post by cjhopman »

Latteland wrote: post #277
philipodonnell wrote: post #54

> with the final car rolling off the assembly line on Sunday morning, several hours after the midnight goal set by Chief Executive Elon Musk No, they missed the deadline, twice now. Lot of Muskites in these comments, remember, Tesla failed to meet the same deadline in January and pushed it to June. (EDIT: I've been told they missed this 3 times now, the 5K/wk figure was originally Dec '17, then Jan '18 then Jun '18).…

If they almost got to that rate of 5k it's just as good. There's nothing magical about that number. Musk sets high goals and usually gets close, but it takes longer than he said it would. Reusable rockets, impossible, took years - but now we have them. I can't understand the people that think he's a charlatan. They have sold approaching 200k electric vehicles. They are great cars, I have one. But separate from that,…

His goal was 20000/mo with less than a quarter of the current manual labor that he's using. We're now twice as far along as the original goal, and he can't even make 5000 in a week when rushing cars through as fast and shittily as possible.

Building 5000/w is nothing if you're just willing to throw more and more money at it. The point of the original goal was that it was actually going to be a sustainable, profitable approach.

Re: Tesla meets self-imposed deadline for Model 3, rolls out 5000 cars in a week

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Post by yread »

Kranar wrote: post #269
calinet6 wrote: post #49

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Those who know anything about manufacturing are seeing very clearly that this is unlikely, or if achieved will be done at great cost and waste. https://twitter.com/skabooshka/status/1012000014376230913

Those in the know said electric cars in general were an unpractical waste of money. I also remember three years ago hearing those in the know saying a self landing rocket would not be possible, and if it ever were made it would also be done at great cost and waste. Heck, those in the know said even a couple of months ago that Tesla would not be able to achieve 5000 Model 3s by today. The truth is, there aren't really…

> Those in the know said electric cars in general were an unpractical waste of money.

Really? Who said that?

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