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Re: Bitcoin hits $10,000

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7 years ago: The first bitcoin article on HN with comments! https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=1532670 One of the posters says the feds will shut it down. I also thought this too. This remains one of the most enduring mysteries of Bitcoin to me. Why has the government taken such a hands off approach?

Because it's too early, bitcoin is still small. Wait until some terrorists use it for funding.

Re: Bitcoin hits $10,000

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This is nonsense. This is being driven by speculation / minuscule interest rates / greed. Very little of the demand for btc in the past year is due to lack of faith in institutions.

Let me try to make the case for why Bitcoin could be a useful beyond greed. I can't really think of many reasons why you would use crypto to pay for a coffee or a sandwich if you live in the West (or frankly, even most developing nations). On the other hand, I can definitely see the utility in a censorship-resistant digital medium to store wealth. To me, this latter use case has much, much more potential to serve the…

Please stop posting repetitive comments to Hacker News. At this point you're spamming and that's totally not ok.

Re: Bitcoin hits $10,000

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Ordinary people (48.3% of them) aren't on the internet, either. http://www.internetworldstats.com/stats.htm

Even then, there are plenty who are on the internet without really understanding what it is they're using. They just know how to pattern match (netflix.com will take me to movies + tv but no idea how or where it comes from) I think on a surface level, they'd say sure, digital money, why wouldn't that be the future but they assume it comes from an "authoritative" source such as the UN or a government.

So you're saying these average people that say "sure, digital money, why wouldn't that be the future" also "understand why a decentralized asset is the ultimate safe haven"? Huh?

How are you interpreting the term "understand"?

Does the average person even understand what a "decentralized asset" is?

Re: Bitcoin hits $10,000

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What exactly is a BTC? BTC is man made, and depends upon computers and software. And the people who control the software can change their minds, if they so choose. So what a BTC is now, may not be what it is later, including its scarcity. See also the ETH and BTC forks. Gold on the other hand exists naturally in nature, and doesn't change based upon someone else's whim. So no, BTC is not like gold.

BTC is what the distributed consensus says BTC is. You can’t fake that without pouring billions into building up mining infrastructure to organize a 51% attack and even then the distributed consensus will simply fork around your amazing achievement of successfully doing a single double spend? So yeah, BTC is definitely not like gold, it’s way better.

How is BTC better than gold? What can I do with a bitcoin? It's just data. It's still a fiat currency. Gold is specifically not a fiat currency because it has real world applications. I will agree cryptocurrencies are better than other forms of fiat currency in that there is a definitive quantity, similar to a non-fiat currency, but it's intrinsic value is in the trust others will accept it in exchange for something that has real value.

Suppose a solar flare destroyed all existing digital equipment. What would a physical printout of a wallet be worth?

Re: Bitcoin hits $10,000

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money laundering is legitimising illicit profits but disguising them as legitimate income. none of the examples above fits this definition.actually, it is the opposite - protecting your legitimate gains from illegitimate actions of government.

You are right, I am using money laundering to mean 'anonymous monetary transfer of arbitrary size/value', which most governments don't allow as far as I know.

If i carry a pocket knife, would you call me stabber? "anonymous monetary transfer of arbitrary size/value" is the knife, money laundering is the stabbing.

Re: Bitcoin hits $10,000

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> The key quality of a fiat currency is that it is spun out of air without intrinsic value. ... as imposed (that is, "by fiat") by some governmental organization. Bitcoin's "true" value may be dubious, but it's most definitely not a fiat currency.

The type of organization that created it doesn't matter.

It absolutely matters, because fiat currency, by definition, has the full power of the state (i.e. legal authority, taxing authority, police/military authority) backing it. The same is not true of Bitcoin.

Re: Bitcoin hits $10,000

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What percentage of the value of gold do you think is due to its “inherent” value in jewelry or electronics? I’d wager it’s incredibly tiny, and I don’t understand your argument that gold is a reasonable store of value only because it has some tiny bit of “inherent” value.

It has a lot with it to do, because a lot of today's asset value is based on pure emotions of investors and their feelings and if something is actually physical, which you can see, hold in your hands, which has a very shiny appearance, is being worn by rich people around their necks and is used in the most sophisticated electronics (which itself is required for the world to function nowadays) influences one's feeling…

But if you’re going to use emotions to explain a significant portion of gold’s value, surely the emotions of Bitcoin traders should provide an equally legitimate explanation of Bitcoin’s value.

I don’t really like appeals to “inherent value,” except for assets that can be expected to be desirable to almost any individual in almost any conceivable scenario (like food). Even then, there is some level of social or “network” effect, because in order to trade food you need your trade partner to have confidence that your assets are genuine (e.g. it’s not fake cans of beans) and that there is some fundamental protection of property rights (e.g. you’re not going to trade your canned beans for their eggs, only to immediately steal back their eggs using the threat of force).

In that sense, all “inherent value” is just an abstraction based on your confidence in your ability to predict the future behavior of other humans, which isn’t so different than your decision today to trade fiat currency for cryptocurrency (or even to trade your labor for fiat currency, like most of us do in traditional jobs).

Re: Bitcoin hits $10,000

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Name an artist who has stayed anonymous under focused public scrutiny as effectively as Satoshi. The only one I can think of that comes close to this level of exposure is Banksy, and his identity is right there on his Wikipedia page for anyone who really cares to know. Besides, Banksy does plenty of communication despite his supposed anonymity. It's not the anonymity; the total lack of communication from Satoshi is w…

The claim that it was impossible because of human nature is what I’m challenging. You asked for an example: Jane Austen was anonymous until her death.

The anonymity of Jane Austen was not remotely similar to Satoshi. Plenty of people knew her identity. According to Wikipedia she was contacted directly by the king's librarian. Also that was in the 1700s! In Satoshi's case, it's possible that no person on Earth has ever known his true identity other than himself.

But that's all beside the point. You misunderstand my claim. I'm not claiming that it's unlikely for Satoshi to want to remain anonymous. What's unlikely is for a successful person to not talk to anyone, not a single other person in the world (as far as we know), about their success. Even people who value their privacy and anonymity very highly typically still want to communicate with other people somehow. Satoshi clearly had good communication skills, and knew how to communicate while remaining anonymous, so if you want to argue that he was some kind of loner recluse who rejected communication with other humans you'll have a tough time convincing me of that.

Re: Bitcoin hits $10,000

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Tether hyperinflation. Edit: I should clarify. Bitfinex printed 95 million worth of tether in the last two days , and used it to buy btc. When your prices are denominated in Monopoly money, the sky is the limit.

This wouldn't be the first case that Bitcoin's market volume has been artificially inflated (i.e. Mt. Gox), but doesn't Tether only have a $700MM market cap and $900MM 24H volume? How is that able to affect Bitcoin with its $175BN market cap and $8BN 24H volume? Sidenote: With all this talk about cryptocurrencies, I find it strange that Tether is the only coin whose volume exceeds its market cap; strange in the way t…

According to (and many others): https://mobile.twitter.com/sLabunsky/status/9356418670976491...

"To raise market cap. by 5B, you basically need to raise price by ~3% (%_delta = [(cap_delta / btc_count + current_price) / current_price - 1] * 100%). The total usd amount to change price by desired delta is pretty small, for BTC it is usually around 8M for 1% (easy to check)"

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