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Bitcoin hits $10,000

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Re: Bitcoin hits $10,000

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“Rosenstreich at online trading firm Swissquote said bitcoin’s surge harks to the surprises of the U.K. referendum on European Union membership and President Trump’s election. “We have underestimated the populist movements,” he said. “There is growing unease on how central banks and governments are managing fiat currencies. Ordinary people globally understand why a decentralized asset is the ultimate safe haven.”” Th…

Everything you say can be true but if this is not just the new tulip mania there must be some number at which it stops. You predict 100k but why not a million? why not a billion?

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7 years ago: The first bitcoin article on HN with comments! https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=1532670 One of the posters says the feds will shut it down. I also thought this too. This remains one of the most enduring mysteries of Bitcoin to me. Why has the government taken such a hands off approach?

In the early days of the Internet revolution, many people raised concerns about illicit use of Internet. I guess it's the same thing with Bitcoin...

Why would the US government want to ban Bitcoin anyway?

Bitcoin isn't particularly useful for laundering money because converting to/from fiat in any significant quantity usually requires a Bitcoin exchange and they follow proper AML/KYC procedures (those who don't get shut down.)

Bitcoin is not particularly associated to illicit activities any more so than cash: http://www.coindesk.com/bitcoin-economy-black-market-sin-rep...

Bitcoin helps the economy: $1+ billion has been invested in Bitcoin/cryptocurrency companies, creating thousands of jobs.

I would say many officials in the government understand Bitcoin is a technology with a lot of potential, and it would be stupid to outlaw it from the start. Watch the November 2013 US Senate hearing on Bitcoin if you want to get a sense of how some officials perceive it: https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-switch/wp/2013/11/18...

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Let me try to make the case for why Bitcoin could be a useful beyond greed. I can't really think of many reasons why you would use crypto to pay for a coffee or a sandwich if you live in the West (or frankly, even most developing nations). On the other hand, I can definitely see the utility in a censorship-resistant digital medium to store wealth. To me, this latter use case has much, much more potential to serve the…

There is absolutely nothing that would prevent a government outlawing and criminalizing bitcoin at any point in time. With one stroke of a pen government can outlaw owning bitcoins or performing any transactions in bitcoins. I'd say this is bound to happen eventually with certainty because no government would be willing to lose control on currency (especially ability to pull it out of thin air) and thereby the power…

> almost every country requires that transactions must occur in its national currency.

I've never heard of such laws. You have a source on this?

Re: Bitcoin hits $10,000

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> Bitcoin is a fiat currency Please expand. Which state is forcing people to pay their taxes in Bitcoin, and/or authorizing it as legal tender?

The key quality of a fiat currency is that it is spun out of air without intrinsic value.

I guess I think about it differently. Fiat means "by decree", or by force. Fiat currencies have historically been associated with a military. Bitcoin doesn't share that property.

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> Bitcoin is a fiat currency Please expand. Which state is forcing people to pay their taxes in Bitcoin, and/or authorizing it as legal tender?

The key quality of a fiat currency is that it is spun out of air without intrinsic value.

> The key quality of a fiat currency is that it is spun out of air without intrinsic value.

... as imposed (that is, "by fiat") by some governmental organization.

Bitcoin's "true" value may be dubious, but it's most definitely not a fiat currency.

Re: Bitcoin hits $10,000

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Unlike gold a BTC has absolutely no use beyond whatever its current use is. The only way for a BTC to be ever in demand is if enough people trust each other that nobody will start selling it in large mass and therefore entirely flooring the value of it. However trust is not exactly a great foundation for a currency's value. Gold has at least has some useful applications outside of banking. For a start it looks beautiful, it is highly in demand in fashion and jewellery an it has also great application in electronics. This is a much better foundation for being resilient against a complete loss of value and promising longevity.

Besides BTC has serious flaws in order to attract a critical mass. It is extremely unsustainable - for example buying a sandwich with BTC requires more energy than a house for an entire week. This is alone is just horrible, especially in times when we should be trying to save our planet and not waste energy for shits like this. Secondly with it's current volatility the people who own BTC are much much less likely to spend it somewhere, because of the hope of gaining more value. However if nobody is willing to spend their BTC then adoption will lack and eventually counter act on it's value.

Thirdly you can't really convert the value of BTC into hard cash and even if you could, before you'd finish converting a large amount of BTC into cash you'd have halved the price of the BTC as part of the exercise.

Overall the technology behind it is interesting, but BTC I honestly think will massively flop and the current hype comes from pure greed. Investors trying to convince the populus to buy into BTC so they can finally cash out, but the reality is that for the normal person BTC is literally too cryptic to jump on the train and tech savvy people know better that it's too late now. It's too volatile and anything can happen. You don't buy expensive assets which are so widely known that they are in the news every day. This is too late.. we just watch and wait for the burst.

Re: Bitcoin hits $10,000

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"Ordinary people globally understand why a decentralized asset is the ultimate safe haven." Ordinary people have never heard of bitcoin. I have relatives working in finance who don't understand bitcoin.

Ordinary people (48.3% of them) aren't on the internet, either. http://www.internetworldstats.com/stats.htm

Even then, there are plenty who are on the internet without really understanding what it is they're using. They just know how to pattern match (netflix.com will take me to movies + tv but no idea how or where it comes from)

I think on a surface level, they'd say sure, digital money, why wouldn't that be the future but they assume it comes from an "authoritative" source such as the UN or a government.

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A long time ago, when Aluminium was more precious than gold, people made what was considered good looking jewelry out of it: http://www.todayifoundout.com/index.php/2014/05/aluminium-co... "Its shininess combined with its almost ghostly lightness compared to other metals made it an ideal metal for jewellery and it wasn’t long until the French elite were wearing broaches and buttons made of the aluminium." Aluminium a…

Yes, but scarcity of bitcoin is not time tested. Most people seem to downplay this requirement for being "time tested" along with "scarce". However this is the requirement that drives your decision about how much % of your assets would be in certain form over long run. Would bitcoin still be scarce 20 years down the line? Not sure. Gold? Almost certainly. Also bitcoin is at mercy of technology. Few people knows how s…

That's not true at all. If someone gives you a gold bar right now, would you be able to tell if it's real or not? What if, for example, it's steel on the inside coated with a thin layer of gold. Or the gold has a low purity, etc. This is why there are specialists (who are very expensive) who can use special tests to check if it's real (and even then it's not 100%).

It's easy to tell if the Bitcoin that you just received is real or not. (Definitely much easier and cheaper than with gold).

Re: Bitcoin hits $10,000

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Honest question: Is Bitcoin used in significant quantities for "legitimate"/legal transactions? I don't know a single person who has bought anything with a Bitcoin, or received payment. From my non-economic POV, it sure seems like /pure speculation/.

My company, in this field, has many customers which pay in cryptocurrencies.

Re: Bitcoin hits $10,000

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7 years ago: The first bitcoin article on HN with comments! https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=1532670 One of the posters says the feds will shut it down. I also thought this too. This remains one of the most enduring mysteries of Bitcoin to me. Why has the government taken such a hands off approach?

Allow me to don my tinfoil hat... Could be that Bitcoin is a technology developed and promoted by international central banks, cloaked with a cyberpunk aura via Satoshi. Bitcoin could be an ideal global currency, so long as the central banks could control enough computing power and coin holdings.

I think it's more likely that the Gov is doing what they normally do and fully assessing a situation first- especially in this situation because how can you meaningfully hurt a decentralized network of this size when it may be easier to just tax it like a resource.
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