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Post by michaelmrose »

fermienrico wrote: post #146
stock_toaster wrote: post #123

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> don't need a piece of plastic that holds a numeric key Doesn't a SIM include a small micro-controller and firmware (ref#1)? It isn't just a numeric key holder. In addition, wouldn't having an apple designed electronic SIM reduce what 3rd party firmware (hardware SIM card) is running on their devices? Seems like a good deal to me. ref#1: https://www.slideshare.net/c.enrique.ortiz/sim-card-overview

It doesn’t matter. My argument still stands regardless of what’s inside the chip holder and the card. The point is - it’s a relatively simple thing compared to the complexity of the rest of the phone. It needs to be eradicated.

You have failed to establish this.

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Post by damnyou »

acdha wrote: post #326
damnyou wrote: post #255

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The most common case is overnight with a geographically distributed team.

How does that many notifications help? Isn’t it enough to see a ton of email and open an email client which does all of that aggregation for you?

Of course it doesn't, but Android already does the aggregation for me so that I don't miss important notifications from other apps. It's just a better way of working.

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Post by valuearb »

saghm wrote: post #259
valuearb wrote: post #241

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Android dominates because Apple refuses to sell $50 iPhones. iOS app revenues still outpace Google Play, Android is the OS of choice for people who use it like a feature phone.

I've seen that revenue stat mentioned before, but never any evidence that this isn't due to something like Android having free options available for functionality that only paid apps have on iOS.

Name one bit of useful Android functionality that is only available paid on ios. There isn’t any. The average Android users pay far less for their phones, and spend far less on apps, that’s been true forever.

Apple targets only the top end of the market. I’m a mobile developer and that’s why native apps are almost always iOS first. We know our iOS sales will be higher, and these are proprietary apps, not system features.

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Post by skinnymuch »

PoisonousGases wrote: post #272
earenndil wrote: post #216

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> But many of us don't buy Apple for the hardware, but because we want to stay in their software ecosystem. I'd rather use a Nexus running iOS than an iPhone X running Android Afraid I'm completely different. I have an iphone but my computer runs linux. The reason I have an iphone is because the hardware is top-notch, and the OS is rather constricting -- I would much rather have an iphone running android than one run…

I'm similar, I would love to buy Apple hardware and have the freedom to put my own software on it. I'd also be happy to buy a new laptop and install 10.6.8, or buy a new iPhone and install iOS 6. But I despise Android--I want a real Unix. I feel like Android was architected by complete idiots. Oh how I wish WebOS won instead of Android.

I'll have random daydreams of some sort of way webOS would be a distant third place, but in a decent spot with say 10% market share. I'll think of some weird merger of BB switching to webOS, Microsoft and Nokia backing webOS. Shit. WebOS was likely doomed no matter what. But it came out at the right time and was so good.

I'd prob still use it on and off if HP didn't take the store down.

I'll always miss webOS.

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Post by coldtea »

yeukhon wrote: post #162
coldtea wrote: post #93

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Why, how buggy iOS 11 is/was? Works perfectly fine for me on my 7+.

Look up the calculator bug.

I know of it. Seems a run of the mill bug/slip, of the kind all OSes have 1000s upon every release. It will be fixed in a point update, and that's it.

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Post by mmcnl »

Aloha wrote: post #258
dannyw wrote: post #181

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On a dumb phone yes contacts are stored on your SIM maybe using some kind of weak crypto, yes. On an iPhone X, it’s completely unused for crypto or security, or for any other purpose other than carrier authentication.

The onboard crypto is still used to secure voice calls.

Why not use the same secure element as Apple is using for Apple Pay for this?

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Post by mmcnl »

FreakyT wrote: post #175
SadWebDeveloper wrote: post #125

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Its funny that in the old days the main selling point of GSM/SIM-Cards were that you could physically change from phone to phone and kept your line (and contacts), now we the recent race to get things as little as possible and that virtually no one is using by default any of the extra-GSM functionalities has (contact backup), coming back to a non-physical identity as the solution (like in the CDMA days) that will for…

Completely agree -- the magic of SIM cards is that they allow you to quickly switch providers. I find it ridiculous that people are clamoring for eSIMS, which as you point out is not moving forward, but moving backward to the old CDMA days when you had to plead with your carrier to reconfigure your phone.

Would be even more magic if I could switch provider by simply changing a setting in the settings menu (which is technically feasible using an eSIM).

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Post by [deleted] »

panopticon wrote: post #166
gurkendoktor wrote: post #98

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In terms of profits, yes. But many of us don't buy Apple for the hardware, but because we want to stay in their software ecosystem. I'd rather use a Nexus running iOS than an iPhone X running Android, and I'm even more invested in macOS. That Apple builds nice hardware is a bonus for me (but I'd honestly prefer better software right now). I mean, on paper Apple is making more money from hardware than from software, b…

I'm the inverse of you I guess. I'm not a huge fan of macOS or iOS (iOS's notification story is an absolute nightmare), but their hardware is always among the best, if not the best. Apple might not appear to be the best if you're just comparing line items on a spec sheet, but the whole package always seems more solid than their competition. I'll never buy a non-Apple laptop anymore after dealing with flaky PC laptops…

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Post by vanderZwan »

igravious wrote: post #322
vanderZwan wrote: post #309

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Typing this on a Fairphone 2 right now and I'm a pretty happy customer. It's like the phone equivalent to a thinkpad design where everyone else is using ultra books. It's interesting to see how these phones prioritise different things. Their service is pretty good too by the way. I had a broken bottom module and when I contacted them was sent a new one the same day. Took a week to get here because international shipp…

Pity about the point 'n shoot frustrations. I wonder is that the camera hardware or software or a combo of the two. Kind of surprised you went iPhone to Fairphone, I would have thought that most would be Android refugees. I hope they sell a shedload, Purism also.

I refused smartphones for years until a hand-me-down 4s was forced on my by my GF, and later was offered a repaired 5s for 100 euros by her brother, so I'm not the typical iPhone user to begin with ;)

I will admit that the iPhone is a good phone though!

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Post by acdha »

damnyou wrote: post #332
acdha wrote: post #326

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How does that many notifications help? Isn’t it enough to see a ton of email and open an email client which does all of that aggregation for you?

Of course it doesn't, but Android already does the aggregation for me so that I don't miss important notifications from other apps. It's just a better way of working.

Again, it’s a question of degrees: you’re talking like this is a dealbreaker but it seems like more of an edge case.
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