iPhone X Teardown • Hacker News Board

Re: iPhone X Teardown

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Post by serf » Fri, Nov 03, 2017, 9:10 PM UTC

tigershark wrote: post #77

TylerE wrote: post #65

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Fit and finish on many "high end" cars is actually pretty abysmal. Especially basically anything Italian.

Oh..I didn't know that your Ferrari had a shit finish, you must have been quite unlucky...

I can personally attest to the poor quality of Lamborghini paint and coating from 98 til 2011.

The dashes split apart, all the clear coat on the carbon elements falls off, the paint oxidizes.

Park a 2003 Murcielago next to a 98 Lexus or Toyota (of any kind). You'll be real surprised which one weathered better.

Anyway, I digress, but I can agree with the point that 'high end car' is a lot different than 'high quality car' or 'long lasting car'.

Re: iPhone X Teardown

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Post by icantdrive55 » Fri, Nov 03, 2017, 9:11 PM UTC

gehsty wrote: post #20

alvis wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Strategically, I think Apple has made a right move by internalising all the hardware designs. That said, as many have suggested, the new iPhone is no more than just another faster, smaller, and costlier.

Just smaller and faster with new technology, never before seen delivered at this size, capability or scale. What does Apple have to do to impress people? Do all this then give the phones away for free?

Free--no.

Repairability--yes (I understand why a phone needs to be glued together, but not a laptop. I have no gripes with this phone. It's their work devices that have me peeved.)

Allow a user to truly own the hardware. (I don't need to explain this one.)

Re: iPhone X Teardown

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Post by coldtea » Fri, Nov 03, 2017, 9:11 PM UTC

wnevets wrote: post #37

mankash666 wrote: post #2

Truly impressive. Smaller, yet faster than the competition. Surprising how many of the chips are now internal Apple components: 1. CPU/GPU 2. Auxiliary Machine Learning/AI chip 3. NAND controller 4. IR Deapth sensor & signal processing chip 5. Power management IC (surprising that Apple is doing Analog IC design too!) Axiom in the tech world is that "Apple is a software company that builds hardware". Above is ample ev…

With how buggy iOS 11 is/was, it really does show where their focus has been.

Why, how buggy iOS 11 is/was? Works perfectly fine for me on my 7+.

Re: iPhone X Teardown

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Post by duskwuff » Fri, Nov 03, 2017, 9:11 PM UTC

jaux wrote: post #21

> Repairability 6 out of 10 That's a big surprise to me!

iFixit has historically rated Apple devices rather harshly for their (non-)repairability. 6/10, from them, is high praise.

Re: iPhone X Teardown

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Post by parent5446 » Fri, Nov 03, 2017, 9:11 PM UTC

fermienrico wrote: post #90

The SIM card holder's size shows its age. It is literally as big as the A11 package. Such archaic things need to evolve or disappear. What's the status on electronic SIM? We don't need a piece of plastic that holds a numeric key and takes up EXPENSIVE real-estate in one of the most densely packed electronic devices in the world. Apple doesn't have the leverage to sway the standards?

https://www.theverge.com/2017/10/4/16424740/google-pixel-2-x...

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Post by mattnewton » Fri, Nov 03, 2017, 9:12 PM UTC

fermienrico wrote: post #90

The SIM card holder's size shows its age. It is literally as big as the A11 package. Such archaic things need to evolve or disappear. What's the status on electronic SIM? We don't need a piece of plastic that holds a numeric key and takes up EXPENSIVE real-estate in one of the most densely packed electronic devices in the world. Apple doesn't have the leverage to sway the standards?

They have an electronic sim on the watch- I imagine that’s serving as a test bed for the carriers and for apple.

Re: iPhone X Teardown

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Post by okanesen » Fri, Nov 03, 2017, 9:13 PM UTC

fermienrico wrote: post #90

The SIM card holder's size shows its age. It is literally as big as the A11 package. Such archaic things need to evolve or disappear. What's the status on electronic SIM? We don't need a piece of plastic that holds a numeric key and takes up EXPENSIVE real-estate in one of the most densely packed electronic devices in the world. Apple doesn't have the leverage to sway the standards?

They did it with their most recent Apple Watch, which could be a first start to also bring it to the iPhone. They probably want to first get the adoption going, before making it available globally.

Re: iPhone X Teardown

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Post by gurkendoktor » Fri, Nov 03, 2017, 9:13 PM UTC

Illniyar wrote: post #72

mankash666 wrote: post #2

Truly impressive. Smaller, yet faster than the competition. Surprising how many of the chips are now internal Apple components: 1. CPU/GPU 2. Auxiliary Machine Learning/AI chip 3. NAND controller 4. IR Deapth sensor & signal processing chip 5. Power management IC (surprising that Apple is doing Analog IC design too!) Axiom in the tech world is that "Apple is a software company that builds hardware". Above is ample ev…

"Axiom in the tech world is that "Apple is a software company that builds hardware". " Is that really a common belief? I know many people who think the opposite - apple is a hardware company. In fact Tim Cook went out of his way several times to remind people that apple isn't a hardware company.

In terms of profits, yes.

But many of us don't buy Apple for the hardware, but because we want to stay in their software ecosystem. I'd rather use a Nexus running iOS than an iPhone X running Android, and I'm even more invested in macOS. That Apple builds nice hardware is a bonus for me (but I'd honestly prefer better software right now).

I mean, on paper Apple is making more money from hardware than from software, but how do you measure hardware sales that only happened because of the software?

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Post by roywiggins » Fri, Nov 03, 2017, 9:14 PM UTC

fermienrico wrote: post #90

The SIM card holder's size shows its age. It is literally as big as the A11 package. Such archaic things need to evolve or disappear. What's the status on electronic SIM? We don't need a piece of plastic that holds a numeric key and takes up EXPENSIVE real-estate in one of the most densely packed electronic devices in the world. Apple doesn't have the leverage to sway the standards?

Apple build something like this into the Apple Watch, I think.

https://techcrunch.com/2017/09/12/the-cellular-enabled-apple...

Re: iPhone X Teardown

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Post by mattnewton » Fri, Nov 03, 2017, 9:15 PM UTC

timthelion wrote: post #85

I don't understand, when they got rid of the audio jack and added wireless charging, why does the phone have ports at all? Couldn't they make a port-less phone?

Diagnostics, developer experience and backups are all hard to do wirelessly, but I am sure they are thinking about it.