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AIM will shut down after 20 years

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Re: AIM will shut down after 20 years

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Nah, $6+ if you buy in the right place. $300+ for 5-digits http://www.myuin.com

I assume they were talking about in the past. Like a decade ago or earlier. Though 6 digit ones selling for thousands still seems a bit much unless they were appealing rounded numbers. 5 digits for thousands of dollars was def a thing in the mid 00s.

Bingo. Today's value of the network is different. Kind of the value of twitter handles before insta and snap showed up

Re: AIM will shut down after 20 years

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I assume they were talking about in the past. Like a decade ago or earlier. Though 6 digit ones selling for thousands still seems a bit much unless they were appealing rounded numbers. 5 digits for thousands of dollars was def a thing in the mid 00s.

Bingo. Today's value of the network is different. Kind of the value of twitter handles before insta and snap showed up

Things have changed even more. The person with NYC or NewYorkCity IG handle now has a lucrative reportedly 6 figure income from that profile now by promoting NYC things.

Re: AIM will shut down after 20 years

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My first website was dedicated to AIM. That was 14 years ago in 2004. I was in middle school. I got into development (vb5/vb6) so I could make things to boot people off AIM. I learned web development so I could make cool things happen in my profile with buddy4u.com. I learned Photoshop so I could create AIM buddy icons. I wrote many a love story in my profile. This hurts.

Relevant: http://articles.marco.org/44 I used to see people running these all over AOL chatrooms. I didn't see it on AIM, but I'm not surprised it carried over.

I didn't know such a thing even existed! (I would have been 4 years old according to Marco) This is the coolest hack I've ever seen. I'm sitting here in awe.

Re: AIM will shut down after 20 years

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It's a shame, really, as AIM could have easily evolved into Slack for family/friends connections all along a spectrum of casual to intimate. It's like how Flickr couldn't make a mobile app and Instagram happened, or how Digg fumbled so badly Reddit came out of nowhere. First mover advantage is only important in the initial cycle. Once the market matures it's a huge liability.

It’s not just first mover: Flickr was doing great until they were bought by Yahoo, which was a decade into the management vacuum by that point, and AOL was doing their best to make Yahoo’s management look visionary and competent. In both cases the message I take is that a good team can’t make up for executives who don’t know what their business model is. Management by oh-shiny! and laying off people until a spreadshe…

Sometimes first mover means first to achieve any significant valuation which means first to be acquired. As you point out, acquisitions can often mean death.

Re: AIM will shut down after 20 years

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Toyota's another great example. They went from Japan's post-WWII decimation to the world's largest car company. They did it through an intense focus on increasing customer value and reducing waste. US automakers couldn't come close to matching their quality or effectiveness. This despite Toyota's attempts to teach them through efforts like NUMMI. I think their unique culture has declined over time, but it was still p…

Toyota owes A LOT to Bell Labs. I'm not so sure they can thank Wall Street for being unnaturally forgiving.

Sorry, I haven't heard about this. What does Toyota owe to Bell Labs?

Also, I'm not sure that Wall Street had much influence on Toyota. I can't easily tell when they first listed on US markets, but it was long after their company culture was set.

Re: AIM will shut down after 20 years

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For me the killer feature of AIM was P2P file transfer. Is there even a service today that does this? It was so easy to just click "send a file" and it worked fairly reliably. Dropbox comes close, but, of course, it is not a direct file transfer.

IRC had this what, a decade before AIM even existed? I love reading about the great innovative features of the huge multitude of modern chat apps we have these days, which were present in software from the '90s. The more things change...

IRC UX is terrible

Re: AIM will shut down after 20 years

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I'm fairly torn up about this. A lot of my friends today were "internet randos" I started up chats with on AOL in the late 90s. There is a pretty large number of additional internet rando's from my youth whom I haven't spoken to in years where my only connection is their AIM screenname. I still use Adium connected to AIM just waiting for any of them to pop on. For many of them, I never knew their real name, only thei…

This is what bums me out. I went down my AIM contact list when I got this news and realized I had fond memories of people from the 00s that I will never be able to find again because there is no name attached to their AIM. But at the same time, that detachment was what made those interactions magical. I knew people by screen name, not real name. They weren't constrained by what their lives meant offline because all t…

I just did the same. Such a strong feeling of nostalgia

Re: AIM will shut down after 20 years

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But none of those things are logically linked or dominant. Why can't I just have zero latency email that defaults to a prominent instant-message-like UI for all emails without a subject line? If desired, you could require approval from the recipient to reach this IM-level visibility if sent by a stranger, with unapproved messages appearing in the normal email box (sorta like FB does with non-friends). If someone is s…

> If someone is sending you too many That's one of the points. I can publish my IM name but I will receive messages only from those recipients whom I will approve. Publishing email address ... well that's the main reason why we cannot live without services like GMail - to filter out spam.

Huh? My original question is why we can't have the best of both worlds since their is no barrier to combining them. Merely noting that different features are available with different services does not answer this question.

Re: AIM will shut down after 20 years

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5 years ago, aol still used aim internally for everything that people use slack for today. Group chats, bots, notifications for builds, etc, etc. Then gradually individual teams picked up slack and within maybe 18 months, we went from 100% aim to a gigantic corporate slack team. That was the end of AIM, I think. Aol and yahoo both use gmail internally so I suspect they’re going to shitcan their email services eventua…

> Aol and yahoo both use gmail internally

Wait ... what? Who came up with the idea of hosting your email with your competitor?

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