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Do any of you have children at a school using Google Chromebooks and Google Drive? Calling Windows S a Chromebook competitor completely misses the point. Chromebooks are instant on, and your profile/data is 100% cloud based. You can grab any Chromebook from the rack in the back of the classroom, open it up, log in and immediately get to work on your report or whatever. I got an original Chromebook from Google I/O yea…

I was thinking it would be interesting if you could get ChromeOS for these new laptops :-)

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Do any of you have children at a school using Google Chromebooks and Google Drive? Calling Windows S a Chromebook competitor completely misses the point. Chromebooks are instant on, and your profile/data is 100% cloud based. You can grab any Chromebook from the rack in the back of the classroom, open it up, log in and immediately get to work on your report or whatever. I got an original Chromebook from Google I/O yea…

Yeah, my high school has them and your description is spot on. What I notice is that Google's chromebook ecosystem is dedicated towards sharing and collaborating which works well at schools.

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Nice aesthetics and form factor, which makes the choice to use fabric right under the palms, more than odd. Perhaps it will have strong sales given potential buyers rarely consider these long term issues. However, that fabric is almost certainly going to turn nasty over time and be a pain to manage. It's like innovating by installing living potted plants inside a Ferrari to improve air quality. Cleaner air is a desir…

While that's certainly a concern, let's not forget that Alcantara is very common in high-end sports cars. It's commonly used in endurance racing (24h of le Mans etc).

I have a full alcantara steering wheel in my Mercedes AMG. It's awful, and AMG Private Lounge forums will tell you the same story, it's not uncommon for people to literally go and swap their alcantara-clad wheels in their $100k vehicles for normal leather. Initially it feels amazing when the car is brand new, but you need to keep cleaning it every month or otherwise it becomes this dirty clump of neither pleasant leather, nor smooth material, it's just unpleasant to touch - and after a certain point it doesn't matter how much you clean it, it just looks like an old rag and the only thing you can do is have the wheel re-done. Having a laptop covered in alcantara sounds like the worst idea ever, probably only a notch better than having shiny black piano plastic on surfaces which scratch from just looking at them.

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They're now demoing the Surface Laptop. Thinner than a MacBook Air. Faster than a MacBook Pro. Longer battery life than either. The downside? "Windows 10 S", which only runs apps from the Windows Store. The upside over Windows RT from the Windows 8 era? You can port Win32 apps to the Store today, don't think you could back then. Edit: You can upgrade Windows 10 S to ordinary Windows 10 Pro for $50. Laptops that run W…

> Faster than a MacBook Pro What's their basis for that? I'd have thought at the very best it'd be about the same speed as a 13" (assuming you're not doing anything that uses much RAM; the 4GB would really cripple it there). I'll be interested to see what CPU it has, exactly, but I'd be surprised if it has the HD540/640 graphics. EDIT: Specs here: https://i.imgur.com/Kc1fQ52.png The expensive ones use an Iris 640, so…

I think they just mean faster to boot (but still slower than Chromebooks).

Re: Introducing Surface Laptop

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They're now demoing the Surface Laptop. Thinner than a MacBook Air. Faster than a MacBook Pro. Longer battery life than either. The downside? "Windows 10 S", which only runs apps from the Windows Store. The upside over Windows RT from the Windows 8 era? You can port Win32 apps to the Store today, don't think you could back then. Edit: You can upgrade Windows 10 S to ordinary Windows 10 Pro for $50. Laptops that run W…

Can you put Electron apps in Windows store so they could run on Windows 10 S?

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Do any of you have children at a school using Google Chromebooks and Google Drive? Calling Windows S a Chromebook competitor completely misses the point. Chromebooks are instant on, and your profile/data is 100% cloud based. You can grab any Chromebook from the rack in the back of the classroom, open it up, log in and immediately get to work on your report or whatever. I got an original Chromebook from Google I/O yea…

> Windows and Mac computers will never be that easy to setup, use or maintain.

While half true, I think Microsoft could ship that if they wanted to. Moreover, only listing the things Chromebooks are great at is also missing the point: there are areas where Chromebooks suck and that is where Microsoft can compete.

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> Faster than a MacBook Pro What's their basis for that? I'd have thought at the very best it'd be about the same speed as a 13" (assuming you're not doing anything that uses much RAM; the 4GB would really cripple it there). I'll be interested to see what CPU it has, exactly, but I'd be surprised if it has the HD540/640 graphics. EDIT: Specs here: https://i.imgur.com/Kc1fQ52.png The expensive ones use an Iris 640, so…

Up to a 7th-generation Core i7 with Iris Plus Graphics 640. https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/surface/devices/surface-lapt...

I wonder if the core i5 is actually a Core i5 U-edition or an Y-edition. Didn't Intel say they would start calling Core M3 and Core M5 Core i3 and Core i5? (pre-Kaby Lake).

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... at 15 seconds into the first video, it clearly shows an i7 chip. The specs call out an i5. So, M$- what exactly is it? Bait and switch? Also, I want to load my own software - not the crap from your $tore.

https://www.microsoftstore.com/store/msusa/en_US/pdp/product...

You can pay more for an i7, and you can switch to Windows 10 Pro if you want a normal OS that runs anything.

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The FAQ is deceptive. AFAICT you can't make Firefox the default for opening links in other apps either. That, together with "no changing search to google" is going to make many people hate Windows S, I bet.

> "no changing search to google" is going to make many people hate Windows S, I bet. I highly doubt it. The majority of customers won't care at all. Edge and Bing are both really, really good. Most customers that I've worked with when during technical support don't really notice and usually just keep the defaults. Chrome's touchscreen support is absolutely awful so Edge is usually the best go-to option for a touch sc…

They've made a really good job with bing's ui. I have a windows 10 laptop at work and I hadn't used windows in years. I tested edge for a few weeks and hadn't realized I was searching on bing for the longest time !!

The ui was so similar to google's, the results good enough and I got "fooled". I think I noticed because I wasn't finding links I knew the "google keywords" to. So their results somewhat do differ !

I switched back to google once I realised though.

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I find it to have a very nice design.

Also, I think it's really time to drop custom laptop chargers the same way we all did for phone chargers, and switch to USB-C for power supplying.

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