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Reading about the S/360 is insane...no one makes investments like that anymore. This would be the equivalent of Intel or someone spending $40 billion dollars on engineering the and the infrastructure needed to build a quantum computer today. (What's interesting is that they would survive even if the expense didn't pan out, but no large successful company would ever do this today.)
Sure they do. That's an immense spend by IBM, however lots of big companies spend in the 11 figures on projects. Exxon is spending $20 billion in the next five years to expand its oil refining and chemical operations along the gulf coast. Las Vegas Sands is planning to spend at least $10 billion just to build its Japanese operation. Verizon spent $25 billion or so over 12 years trying to build out FiOS. Wanda Group i…
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Re: Tesla to raise $1B
#332How much of Tesla's prospects are due not to free market competition, but Elon Musk lending his credibility to Trump? What happens to his competition, who do compete in the market and take a principled stand against Trump? Is Musk still supporting Trump? I just spent some time doing a little research (below) and as far as I can tell, the answer to the questions seem unsettling, though I couldn't find many great, curr…
Would you please not do this here? HN threads are supposed to be good conversation, not political broadsheets, let alone boilerplate. We detached this subthread from https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=13880102 and marked it off-topic.
I think HN guidelines are fundamental to a great Internet community and want to help support it. I'm not complaining and don't care about the treatment of this one comment, but I do care if the rules of HN have changed:
Specifically, criticism of Musk attracts disproportionate down-votes (again, I don't care, but it seems obvious from my experience) and mention of Trump is obviously inflammatory. But it's important that the angry mob doesn't intimidate reasonable people into silence about important issues, nor exhaust and frustrate mods into enforcing that silence to some degree - the latter worries me a little, based on your response, though it would be very unusual for HN mods (but OTOH Trump is an unusual situation) and of course I can't read your mind.
My hope is that you have misunderstood the comment, which would be fine, and that there are not new rules and they don't apply as you seem to imply. Perhaps I didn't communicate well enough to be understood; certainly it could be shorter, but that usually doesn't attract moderator criticism (I tried to break it down with some structure, as you see).
Specifically, I don't understand:
> not political
Politics is frequently discussed on HN some having nothing to do with the tech industry. Also, the political practices of other SV figures are widely discussed, from Travis Kalanick to Brendan Eich to many others, and some of those issues has nothing to do with tech or business. We discuss discrimination against women and minorities in tech, and also in society in general, for example. You obviously don't need me to tell you all that, so I'm not sure what you mean.
And the issue I raise is politics specifically as a business practice, in a way that directly affects the tech industry and many HN readers in a serious way: Corruption distorts the market, and forces competitors into similarly corrupt practices in order to compete. The tech industry probably doesn't want success to depend on who is closer to the politician in charge. The whole startup culture depends on access to the market by weaker players, and the opportunity to succeed largely on merit. Political corruption and crony capitalism are very serious threats to SV.
(In fact, I believe this issue may become the most consequential in tech for many years to come, in large part due to Musk's current actions. Will his competitors now also have to kiss up to the President? And then their competitors? Will opportunists seize a potential advantage? If I'm right, I can hardly think of a more important issue for HN.)
> not political broadsheets
I'm not sure what is meant here: A broadsheet is a newspaper, and a political broadsheet would have many stories on many different political topics. IME the term usually is applied to second-rate partisan publications filled with loose editorial against the opposition.
In comparison, my comment is one specific allegation with a long list of supporting links: The allegation that Musk is engaging in political corruption to the significant benefit of his businesses. I step through the argument (read the statements beginning each section) and provide supporting links for each step. That is, it's not a list or variety of loosely related stories - perhaps the number of links gave the wrong impression.
It's also not loose partisan editorial, but better supported than > 99.5% of HN comments (and better supported than almost 100% of partisan editorials, but that's a low standard). As cited, multiple major investment banks have advised their clients to invest on the basis that the allegation is true or at least a serious possibility, the allegation is widespread beyond that (search for "musk trump"), and it's cited from many serious sources such as the NY Times. See my post further down the thread for more documentation and support.
I think I do a good job of avoiding inflammatory language; I am open to input and even note sources that are less-than-optimal, undermining my own point. Sometimes unpopular facts are inflammatory, however, but I don't think those should be avoided (though they should be well-supported and stated without additional provocation); they are often the most important ones.
> boilerplate
I think it's certainly it's not boilerplate, defined as standard formulations uniformly found in certain types of legal documents or news stories - that is, copy-and-paste talking points. Perhaps that's not what you meant? It is completely original, composed with greater time and effort than most HN comments.
Re: Tesla to raise $1B
#333Earlier quoted context omitted.
>He has stated that he thinks it's better if the President has good people advising him, regardless of how one thinks of their policies. Yes. Everything I do, I do it for you... I think Elon's Paypal experience has taught him how gullible the general public is, and is using that experience to good effect today..
Even if you don't believe him, the fact remains that joining an advisory council is not the same as lending support. So unless there's something else he's done that actually indicates support for Trump, it's a baseless claim.
That is your opinion, but it's not fact. I'm sure you are aware that many disagree (who have no greater claim to fact than you), including the people who bought that billboard and those who pressured Travis Kalanick (of Uber) into leaving the advisory council.
It's really a matter of degree. It says that this is a person who is worth the time to advise; they are therefore intelligent, responsible, capable, they listen, and I share their values enough to associate my name with their endeavors. It doesn't say 'I support everything they do'.
If Musk joined advisory council of most businesses, it would send an incredible message of support, for example (though not exactly comparable).
Re: Tesla to raise $1B
#334Earlier quoted context omitted.
AP2 is currently only meant for freeway driving. The sales person was probably right. https://www.tesla.com/autopilot
Yeah, right. It is limited to 50 mph.
On-ramp to Off-ramp
Once on the freeway, your Tesla will determine which lane you need to be in and when.
In addition to ensuring you reach your intended exit, Autopilot will watch for opportunities
to move to a faster lane when you're caught behind slower traffic. When you reach your exit,
your Tesla will depart the freeway, slow down and transition control back to you.