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Post by smm2000 »

cpwright wrote: post #238
tsotha wrote: post #20

>So here’s the big question. What does she, or you, or any of us do with all this time we’re buying? Binge on Netflix shows? Go for a run? Van Ekert’s answer: “It’s more to dedicate more time to working.” Meh. It's specialization. It's been happening since everyone figured out Og makes better clubs than everyone else and he'll make you one if you give him food. Most of the people reading this site have a skill that b…

There is a big fallacy here that the people who are going to be working more hours will actually make more money. These people are salaried, and may get better performance pay, etc. for more hours; but it is not guaranteed. Unless you're paid hourly, then the (admitted strawman) "I make $100K, which is like $50 an hour, so its like making money to pay someone $25 an hour." really doesn't work out. The example of Mall…

Many people who work long hours find their work enjoyable and would rather work extra 2 hours than do boring household chores that they hate. I am one of them - cleaning up house is like pulling out teeth for me.

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Post by keshuv »

IkmoIkmo wrote: post #308
glogla wrote: post #207

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I read an article (or maybe comment somewhere?) once - and sadly, my search-engine-fu is not strong enough today, so I can't link it - that talked about two kinds of depression, two kinds of "beasts". Once was called black I think. It's the one people think of, when you say depression, and how movies portray it too: sadness, despair and the feeling that everything is bad, and everything ever will be bad. The other on…

Yeah so I think I'm depressed but it's nothing like in the movies. No alcohol, no smoking, no crying, no suicidal thoughts (other than intellectual), no real sadness or despair (there's some disappointment but it's again more intellectual than emotional) and I don't really consider anything 'bad' in my life. In fact objectively most things are great. I get 3 nice meals every day, live in a nice apartment next to the…

Human Nature / selected poems, 2014

https://www.keshuv.com/poetry/

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Post by lmm »

mrec wrote: post #320
lmm wrote: post #262

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I think that's backwards from the usual definition of "extrovert". I don't like making small-talk with relative strangers, whether that's the store clerk, someone waiting for the same train, or what have you. So I love living in a big city.

Yes and no. I absolutely get where you're coming from; I'm an extreme introvert living in London, and the anonymity is about the only thing that makes it bearable. The flip side here, and in many (but not all) metropoles, is the near-impossibility of finding quiet, either at work (expensive commercial property pushing employers toward open-plan bedlam hell) or at home (expensive residential property pushing people in…

Modern buildings in London seem to have got the soundproofing right; of course you'll pay for it but it's worth it IMO. I live in a shared ownership (housing association owns 75%, me 25%) flat and it's completely quiet (the tradeoff is that I'm living in Tottenham as that's the only way to make it even vaguely affordable).

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Post by UK-AL »

ars wrote: post #305
UK-AL wrote: post #216

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If depression caused by terrible things happening, or loneliness, that is not also outside of your control? I've had depressed periods, but it was completely understandable given the situation I was in. I think the whole "chemical imbalance" is an easy fix, rather than trying to fix society, or the situation they are in. It's quick and easy to give pills rather than fix a life. Now i'm sure they're are actual medical…

Obviously there is depression caused by events, that type is "easy" to fix because (usually) you can fix the external events, or at least talk about them and come to terms with them. But there is also depression caused by nothing whatsoever. Nothing detectable anyway. People tend not to believe it can be possible, until they experience it (personally or by talking to someone who is experiencing it). Talking about it…

I think its overused, because its exactly that type of depression they tried put on me.

When in reality I was lonely, didn't have much opportunity to socialise etc.

It was only fixed when I got out that situation, basically by chance by getting a introduction into an accepting social circle. I am now very happy.

The highest sucide rates are basically in young men, basically because how society treats them. I don't think its because young men are more prone to chemical imbalances, compared to women or older people. Its because its that stage in life, when men are literally lonely because of the transition from college to work and you can end up isolated and alone.

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Post by mblakele »

wutbrodo wrote: post #190
mblakele wrote: post #64

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Yes, but working every waking hour is a good way to burn out. Cleaning your own toilet might be inefficient but it will remind you that you are human.

> Cleaning your own toilet might be inefficient but it will remind you that you are human. Woah what? I know you're not being literal here, but I'm not sure what point you are trying to make. Are you saying that having a high-paying job automatically makes you feel like you're better than everyone else and doing mundane chores reminds you you're all people?[1] The problem with that is "thinking you're better than eve…

Why are you so certain that I didn't mean what I wrote?

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Post by kaitai »

archagon wrote: post #256
kaitai wrote: post #253

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I have found over the last few years that making things -- preferably making beautiful & functional things -- is what makes me happy, more than just "specific (and ultimately inconsequential) things to do".

What sorts of things do you make? My "curse" is that as a programmer, all the beautiful and functional things I know how to make require me to sit in front of a glowing screen all day! Maybe I should take up woodworking or something.

Food :) (everyone loves that!) Beer (great way to meet people -- everyone wants to swap beer). Textiles, beadwork, crappy art. I really am thinking of woodworking -- I would like to make a really nice chair. Or a salad bowl.

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Post by eddy_chan »

KathrynShantz1 wrote: post #328

What happens when shut-ins have families - and consequently don't know other parents or kids? Things start to go downhill from a life experience perspective.

I actually think a lot less people would be shut-ins if they had kids.

All those 'menial chores' are actually become interesting because you're 'not just doing the grocery shopping anymore'. You're taking you kids shopping so they can explore the supermarket with them. They'll ask questions about what you buy and why you buy it. Of course they'll nag you to buy something for them as well.

Kids will nag you to go out to the park, to the museum or whatever other local attraction there is and along the way you'll get social interaction which helps balance things out.

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Post by wutbrodo »

mblakele wrote: post #325
wutbrodo wrote: post #190

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> Cleaning your own toilet might be inefficient but it will remind you that you are human. Woah what? I know you're not being literal here, but I'm not sure what point you are trying to make. Are you saying that having a high-paying job automatically makes you feel like you're better than everyone else and doing mundane chores reminds you you're all people?[1] The problem with that is "thinking you're better than eve…

Why are you so certain that I didn't mean what I wrote?

In case you're talking about "I know you're not being literal here":

Because only a lunatic would think that high-status people think they're literally no longer classified as Homo Sapiens?

In case you're talking about "Apologies if I'm misinterpreting you here":

The word "if" is generally used to indicate conditioning on an event: i.e. "considering only the situation in which this is true". Nothing about the word indicates "certainty" about anything.

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