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Post by walshemj »

jcrawfordor wrote: post #296
eyko wrote: post #291

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Please explain networked...

I assume he means shared profile/network authentication/configuration management. Active Directory stuff, basically, which yeah, OS X server can do, but I share the opinion that it is actually much harder to get set up to feature parity.

Sorry I should have said to set up central single sign on mobile accounts for laptops you know basic small office functionality.

There isn't even a method for converting from stand alone users to a network one! - looks like those that say that Apple is abandoning osx users for ios have some validity

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Post by brudgers »

superobserver wrote: post #201
microtonal wrote: post #37

I am usually not the one to blow the free software horn (being a staunch believer of non-copyleft licenses such as the Apache License) and the geek in me likes this announcement. I also don't hold a grudge against Windows, I think it is a fine system for most people. However, Windows seems very much contrary to the goal of the Raspberry Pi: providing a device for children to tinker with and educate themselves. Althou…

> It's in Microsoft interest to keep kids in their ecosystem Yep, which is also why they purchased Minecraft. It was more like purchasing the community of Minecraft users, which has a lot of children as well. I really wished there were a Micronix or something - combining the best of both worlds (Microsoft's extensive resources and reach coupled with GNU/Linux freedom and open-source development) - and that probably i…

> Yep, which is also why they purchased Minecraft. It was more like purchasing the community of Minecraft users, which has a lot of children as well.

Microsoft has a strong presence in the gaming industry and a history of producing games going back several decades. Notch was looking to cash out of Mojang, and the kids playing Minecraft also have Wii's and 360's and Playstations...or at least the ones in and around my house. They have iPhones and iPads too and game on them as well.

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Post by bohol »

emptybits wrote: post #317
bohol wrote: post #58

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I think you overestimate the need for access to the OS for learning things. The cracking scene, demoscene and games industry was almost exclusively built on Windows. A lot of that was just as, if not more, advanced as what a Linux programmer does. I do think the trend of iOS, Android and similar Windows environments is troubling. But if they ship Windows 10 on the RPi with something like QBasic and Visual Studio it's…

The cracking scene, demo scene, and games industry were all built long before Windows. C64, Amiga, ZX Spectrum, Atari. I think it's important we had a generation of instant-on machines that greeted a user with a command prompt and a programming environment. Even if you wanted to just play a game, you still found yourself LOADing, DIRing, SYSing, and maybe performing a soft-reset after a LOAD that triggered a system r…

I don't disagree over all, but I'm not sure it works that way anymore. Systems have become super complex and the measurement for what is impressive have gone up. I think the power of a lot of those early system was that they were "boxes", but still impressive enough to keep playing in that box. I think Linux is very much the opposite. You can do pretty much anything you want, but it can be very hard to get good results. If I wanted someone o have the same experience these days I'd probably put them in front of something like processing.

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Post by ossreality »

wfunction wrote: post #260
okasaki wrote: post #235

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Just off the top of my head: package management, live-cd functionality, architecture support, command-line interfaces, GUI variety, kernel customization, scaling to low-powered harware, licencing.

GUI "variety" ? Are you joking? The very reason there exists so much "variety" is that they all suck. Windows has one GUI system and it's worked darn well for quite a long time, and will continue to do so. Linux might be able to let you make your windows do somersaults so you can show off to your friends, but it still hasn't been able to get the basics right, like focus-stealing prevention. Windows is miles ahead of…

You're really bringing up Bash in a thread about Windows? Fuckin really?

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Post by semi-extrinsic »

bohol wrote: post #318
semi-extrinsic wrote: post #306

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Well, yes, I'll give you that "scientific software" is indeed too broad. If I restrict it to "software developed by teams of scientists working at universities and research labs" it's better. And yes, lots of data aquisition stuff is Windows only, particularly the stuff that gets sold along instruments. But then, in that category, the trend seems to be requiring a (preferrably air-gapped) PC running XP. I've even see…

Makes sense. My concern really is if Linux gets any better for these use cases. I think a lot of Linux development is to much software and to little real world "science". You hear a lot how powerful Linux is, but in a lot of cases powerful things are run by XP as you say. I kind of gave on Linux a couple of years ago when at the same time when Apple had totally neglected the Mac Pro all you could find from the Linux…

From what I gather, Qt has "won" the war, if there was ever such a thing, but GTK and Cairo will not be going away. What are your gripes with Cairo, anyways?

Also, when you start getting into scientific software, very few projects explicitly state "Runs best on Linux" even though that may be the case. If you are looking for examples though, I will give some: PETSc/Elemental/Trilinos/etc Clawpack/PyClaw/OpenFOAM/etc Gromacs/NAMD/HOOMD/Quantum Espresso/etc Julia/Nimrod/etc Paraview/VisIt/VMD/etc OpenMPI/MPICH/MVAPICH/etc ImageJ/Fiji/etc GNU Radio/RTL-SDR/etc

There's tons of it out there!

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Post by mwcampbell »

eloisant wrote: post #221
nmeofthestate wrote: post #38

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"Windows seems very much contrary to the goal of the Raspberry Pi: providing a device for children to tinker with and educate themselves" "Windows is closed as ever" Are these kids hacking on the Linux kernel or something? Of course not. They will be using some app/language running on the OS. They don't need access to the OS source to do that. Seems to me Windows is a perfectly open enough OS to act as a platform for…

Linux being open is not just about the kernel source code. It's the fact that it's modular, that you can decide what brick you need, add or remove them, and end up with the perfect right configuration. It's especially interesting when you're building an embedded system (typically with a RPi). Start with the minimal Arch Linux install, think about what you need and add just that. There is a lot to learn about how oper…

Or you can go even further, use something like buildroot (http://buildroot.net/) to build your kernel and rootfs, and even tweak the kernel configuration if you like. I recently did an RPi project where the kernel and rootfs together were about 5 MB compressed.

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Post by sigzero »

microtonal wrote: post #37

I am usually not the one to blow the free software horn (being a staunch believer of non-copyleft licenses such as the Apache License) and the geek in me likes this announcement. I also don't hold a grudge against Windows, I think it is a fine system for most people. However, Windows seems very much contrary to the goal of the Raspberry Pi: providing a device for children to tinker with and educate themselves. Althou…

> My fear is that teachers will now choose for Windows on the RPi, since that is what they know. And we are back to where we started: a fundamentally unhackable system.

I think that is extremely unlikely to happen.

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Post by frozenport »

ZenoArrow wrote: post #295
sharpneli wrote: post #293

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Windows RT. It was normal W8, except the W32 api could be accessed only by MS signed software so developers could use only metro.

Going back a bit you could include Windows CE alongside Windows RT if you liked. Windows Mobile as well. Is Windows Phone a version of RT?

Windows CE is entirely different beaste, but Windows NT 3.5/4/2000 beta had support for MIPS, DEC, ALPHA, PPC, ia64.

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Post by vegedor »

zxcvcxz wrote: post #225
nmeofthestate wrote: post #181

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To this I would say jeez: worrying about how your eleven year old daughter might be restricting herself to particular technology platforms is really somewhat premature.

He has a really good point though, you can't just dismiss it with no counter argument. The "windows way" involves a UI specific to one OS, the *nix way can usually be applied to any UNIX like OS, of which there are far more of than Windows. Not only that but once you learn to program on UNIX all you have to learn is an intuitive GUI to move your skills to windows.

Are you joking? I am not sure if you are joking. Are you?

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Post by tkmcc »

20kleagues wrote: post #26

IoT devices running Windows 10. So I guess my coffee machine will also have the blue screen of death (BSOD) now. Jokes aside, strategic move by Microsoft. The new CEO has some interesting stuff in mind indeed. Can't wait for the build conference where they open the HoloLens dev tools.

That's not a joke: quite a few coffee machines around the Microsoft campus run embedded Windows, including one in the recruiting building's reception lounge.
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