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Julie Ann Horvath Describes Sexism and Intimidation Behind Her GitHub Exit

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Re: Julie Ann Horvath Describes Sexism and Intimidation Behind Her GitHub Exit

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Dylan16807 wrote: post #149
jsmthrowaway wrote: post #132

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> keeping his wife in line. I have never cringed so hard in my life.

Please, just delete this comment. Yeah oh my god that sentence could be interpreted wrong. We don't need a tangent about it. The real meaning has absolutely nothing to do with subordination. It's a simple matter of keeping your friends/relatives/partners out of your job. They don't work there, they shouldn't be interfering. Also, shame on anyone that upvotes such a derail just because they agree with the words.

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Post by enneff »

[deleted] wrote: post #281
enneff wrote: post #257

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It is possible to check someone out without staring at them and without looking like a creep.

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Hmmm nah I'm going to go with it being both possible and totally okay to look at someone and think "I am physically attracted to that person."

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Post by nawitus »

[deleted] wrote: post #213
enneff wrote: post #139

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"Dropped the ball" ?!?!!??!?!?! This is so far beyond inappropriate. If it is even 10% true then there are serious organisational problems at that company. I am gobsmacked that people are leaping to downplay these accusations, without knowing anything about it.

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So you're saying that women are better at HR because HR departments are typically dominated by women? Do you also believe that men are better at programming?

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Post by kansface »

megablast wrote: post #295
sgentle wrote: post #235

Ouch. What a terrible situation. I'm holding out for the other side of the story, but unless you're willing to assume the entire thing is invented this is a major fuckup for GitHub. I think this is a classic problem with companies making the transition from small startup to regular business. Break down the barriers! Flat management! Kill bureaucracy and embrace no-politics DIY organisation! The article reads like an…

> "Oh, okay, I'll talk to him and make sure it stops." Can I come live in your world where everything is solved by a quick talk.

Seems straight forward to me: "stop this shit or you're fired".

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Post by jd0 »

cookiecaper wrote: post #296
jd0 wrote: post #249

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And I, as a male, try not to stare at anybody because I'm not a fucking asshole.

If someone is rendering a public performance, aren't you supposed to look at it? When does hula hooping in a public space transfer to a public performance? Is it public immediately because it's in plain sight? Does it only become public after an audience gathers and the hula hooper continues to hula hoop? What if someone sees the gathered audience and joins in so that they won't be considered rude for not taking inte…

hmmm, let's delve into a semantics analysis of human spatial designations

When does hula hooping in a public space transfer to a public performance?

gee I don't know, I was never one for philosophy! You can throw an infinite amount of what-ifs at any scenario. I was only responding to someone's statement that they do not stare for fear of being accused a sexist (I'd imagine people would call a starer a creep more-so a sexist in that scenario).

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Post by robobro »

kaoD wrote: post #38
sudhirj wrote: post #26

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But why? Despite it's dubious origins, Github remains an excellent / superior product. One may not agree with the way they do things (and even that seems to be some, not everyone in the organization), but is that really a reason to stop using the product? https://yourlogicalfallacyis.com/genetic

He's not judging the product good or bad. He's just "voting" the company with his actions, as we all should.

Judgement made out of ignorance cannot be made in good faith.

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Post by lsiebert »

nknighthb wrote: post #201
enneff wrote: post #180

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Without discussion? No, there is no legitimate reason for that.

You're being ridiculous. Emergency reverts are normal and expected when production systems are down. I'm willing to stipulate this person's specific actions were probably hostile and unwarranted, but some sort of blanket "no revert without discussion" rule is just a way to cost your employer customers. Context is important, and we don't have enough of it to be certain of what happened.

There may be legit reasons, but we have no indication that the reasons were legit. We do have someone involved who says they weren't. We should assume she is being truthful and accurate unless there is a reason to doubt her.

If github says the reverts were legit, then that's different, but you should go with the best information we have, instead of trying to find an excuse not to believe her based on no evidence.

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Post by baddox »

iwasphone wrote: post #23
iancarroll wrote: post #14

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The likelihood she's lying is next to zero. You don't really make these things up...

HN really needs a reply bot that links to the appropriate wikipedia article on logical fallacies.

What fallacy would that comment even be? It's just a factually incorrect statement.
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