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Removing the modem and GPS from my 2024 RAV4 hybrid

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Re: Removing the modem and GPS from my 2024 RAV4 hybrid

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Post by rkagerer »

ezfe wrote: post #273
zakisaad wrote: post #259

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I've never understood how this can be limited in practice: surely as far as the carrier is concerned, all traffic from the mobile device is the same (unless there are identifiers on the traffic coming from hotspotted devices via the mobile device). Here in Australia we've never had any form of hotspot detection/segmentation - if you have a data plan, all data features work (across all carriers). I do recall lots of o…

Your phone voluntarily tags the hotspot data with specific TTL values which carriers use to segment the data. Not all carriers work the same though.

Different applications on a single device can't apply different TTL's? I thought TTL was a pretty basic knob exposed to applications. e.g. A sensor that transmits fresh data every 20 seconds doesn't need stale packets bounding around clogging up the pipes, while a file transfer over an intermittently delayed link might benefit from a higher TTL.

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Post by HDBaseT »

s3p wrote: post #133

I would like everyone to know that if you have a brand new Kia, the process is even easier. I spent $20 on the Kia service manual access (didn't even know that was a thing until I read OP's post) it finally figured it out. Modern Kias with the CCNC cockpit have a data connectivity unit that exclusively handles cellular. If you can get this unit unplugged, which only requires two Phillips head screws to remove, your s…

Any clues on how to disable any telemetry on a Kia Stinger?

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Post by HDBaseT »

DarkmSparks wrote: post #309

I'm still just refusing to buy this garbage in the first place. All these car manufacturers pushing this horrorshow deserve to go under. Tbh it looks like most will soon....

All the Chinese car manufactures are doing the same, they aren't likely to go under soon.

Re: Removing the modem and GPS from my 2024 RAV4 hybrid

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Post by HDBaseT »

cbdevidal wrote: post #136

I was looking into this with Teslas. Apparently the car will not be bricked if you cut the antenna wires. They are in the side mirrors (both sides) and the wires are exposed when you pull the interior door panels. If you then charge only at home you’re even more private than gas cars, which must stop at gas stations with cameras. But both types of vehicles are easily spotted with Flock cameras. And if you keep your p…

If you think your Tesla is somehow more "private" then my pre-2010's ICE car with no tracking electronics, then you are delusional.

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Post by HDBaseT »

asdff wrote: post #312
left-struck wrote: post #303

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>Gas stations with cameras. Everything has cameras these days. On my street almost every house has a cloud connected camera. Every major road has cameras, every store and business. Now I’m not suggesting we give up the fight for privacy but avoiding gas stations does nothing

Difference is most of those things you mention overwrite their data in a few days or weeks. Even doorbell cameras, no one's stuff is being stored indefinitely.

How do you know?

Most of these are cloud connected, how do you know they aren't storing license plate information, or face data, or audio data for extended periods of time in the cloud?

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Post by HDBaseT »

ricardobeat wrote: post #261
mono442 wrote: post #77

Modern cars are horrible. I recently discovered that all new cars sold in the EU constantly beep at you for supposedly speeding, even though the system doesn’t work well, and it has to be turned off every time you start the car.

They beep when you go above the speed limit, and only for a couple seconds. If they do that 'constantly' the problem is in the driver's seat... It takes two seconds to turn off in my car (though by law it has to reset on every drive), but I never bother. In situations where it's "ok" to drive a little over the limit, it's a small price to pay and a gentle reminder.

Lick the boot more.

If you can't drive into a tree at 200mph and kill yourself in a car, then I do not what it.

Re: Removing the modem and GPS from my 2024 RAV4 hybrid

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Post by HDBaseT »

RachelF wrote: post #314

Why not just remove the antenna or SIM card from the modem?

Cars are now using eSIMs. Cutting an antenna wire only limits the effectiveness of the communication. You can wirelessly send and receive data with a solder terminal on a board if you're dedicated enough.

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Post by mothballed »

throwway120385 wrote: post #239
drnick1 wrote: post #225

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Good point, but in practice I think the only way onboard data could be exfiltrated is by a dealer while the car is being serviced. If you DIY or hire an independent mechanic, this seems unlikely.

Or by the FBI, NSA, CIA, DHS, or some other interested entity.

The kind of organized crime that those people should be focused on are also resistant to this kind of tracking. The cartels and gangs just use burner cars that they dump, possibly with the keys and title still in it. Good luck doing much with the log but you've got the log and even the entire car to try and gather all the evidence you want. This tracking is mainly for hemming up small fry and productive citizens.

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Post by alext5 »

funimpoded wrote: post #188
alext5 wrote: post #25

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Both an high end tv or a car are expensive items where the manufacturer shouldn’t be making additional income on your personal data. A free 55 inch tv supported by ads would be subsidized. A big ticket item price likely does not change even if it intrudes on your privacy and the manufacturer makes additional income on your data. In that sense it’s not subsidized it’s just greedy business practices.

I haven't had any insight into the industry lately, but did work for a company in that space several years ago. Most (all?) ordinary TVs, plus things like Roku streaming devices, are sold essentially at-cost. The profit comes from ads and information-brokering stuff. This makes it basically impossible to break into the market without doing the same thing.

What you describe is a business decision.

Different products exist at different price points to cater to different customers.

If you want to sell a subsidized product with the implication that there will be ads, that’s one business strategy, but to say that it’s not viable to have a higher end product that will not sell the user data because it’s not commercially viable is something I’ll have disagree with.

Computer monitors with no smart features wouldn’t viable if that was the case.

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