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Artemis computer running two instances of MS outlook; they can't figure out why

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Re: Artemis computer running two instances of MS outlook; they can't figure out why

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Post by zombot »

workfromspace wrote: post #128
EvanAnderson wrote: post #57

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Coordinating time-zone issues between remote meeting participants on a single celestial body is complex enough. >smile<

That gives me so many questions: Should there be a non-Earth timezone? How do you define a "day" in space? Is there a day light saving in space? At least they are not travelling near the speed of light. That's a whole different can of worms.

As long as you're not in the shadow of some celestial body, the sun never goes away. So they'd need more nightlight saving than daylight saving.

Re: Artemis computer running two instances of MS outlook; they can't figure out why

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Post by j16sdiz »

starkparker wrote: post #281
starkparker wrote: post #276

https://www.businessinsider.com/artemis-astronauts-microsoft... > After Wiseman flagged the issue, Mission Control said it could remotely access his system with permission. > Soon after, a member of Mission Control said, "We wanted to let Reid know we are done remoting into his PCD 1." They added that the issue had been resolved and that the system would appear offline, as "expected." > The personal computing device,…

Notably, it looks like it came down to the Surface Pro and Dell XPS 15, and part of the reason why the Surface won was "significantly more particulate and quantities of toxic gases" emitted by the XPS's larger battery in the worst-case scenario of a battery fire: https://ntrs.nasa.gov/api/citations/20210013869/downloads/20... > The six key test configurations are shown in Table D-2. A ¼-scale OSEF was used in place o…

You don't need installing windows on surface pro -- do you?

Re: Artemis computer running two instances of MS outlook; they can't figure out why

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Post by croes »

stackskipton wrote: post #41

Everyone likes to point and laugh, sure, I'm getting a chuckle as well. However, on more practical level, what are other options? Outlook, the desktop application works really well with local copies, is pretty low bandwidth and very familiar to end users. IMAP with Thunderbird is probably only other option that would satisfy the requirements. EDIT: Yes they need to get email in space. It's easy way to send documents…

I hope they don’t need to search an email. Outlook may be familiar but it’s a familiar pain.

Re: Artemis computer running two instances of MS outlook; they can't figure out why

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Post by Jaxan »

j16sdiz wrote: post #322
starkparker wrote: post #281

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Notably, it looks like it came down to the Surface Pro and Dell XPS 15, and part of the reason why the Surface won was "significantly more particulate and quantities of toxic gases" emitted by the XPS's larger battery in the worst-case scenario of a battery fire: https://ntrs.nasa.gov/api/citations/20210013869/downloads/20... > The six key test configurations are shown in Table D-2. A ¼-scale OSEF was used in place o…

You don't need installing windows on surface pro -- do you?

I’ve tried Linux on an older surface pro. It sucks, pen/touch is not reliable, the device wouldn’t shut off properly which drained the battery. But I guess NASA would have the budget to resolve that.

Re: Artemis computer running two instances of MS outlook; they can't figure out why

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Post by thephyber »

fc417fc802 wrote: post #254
thephyber wrote: post #247

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As someone with deep experience in MIME encoding/parts, HTML for emails, and email client support for different HTML/CSS/image content, this is a sinkhole. The world will be better off when we fork HTML so there is one standard email-safe version that all modern email clients support natively. There’s entirely too much security surface area to put arbitrary HTML into emails and expect any 2 email clients to render it…

> There’s entirely too much security surface area to put arbitrary HTML into emails ... We manage it with browsers though. Don't get me wrong, I've never liked html in emails to begin with. It's the same issue that markdown and every other rich text system has regarding where to draw the line. HN even strips most emojis (and I think that's a good thing).

“We manage it”

Vapid statement.

When emojis are stripped on one website, users of that website understand it’s a product limitation.

When links work on one email client but not another, that’s a huge issue for the email sender and a lot of headache to learn/study the differences between email clients and the stack they are built on.

The difference between HTML and CSS properties supported on different email clients is WILD.[1] the rendering differences are significant, as are the man hours required to get emails to mostly look predictable on the breadth of email clients in use today.

And remember that every time there is a browser engine (or even just a fork) people have to maintain it. They need to develop features, squash bugs, patch security issues, pull from upstream, coordinate with downstream forks, etc. webmail providers are SaaS but have to have intricate and accurate understanding of every browser parse / rendering bug/permutation and a deep understanding of all of the legit HTML/CSS/JavaScript/DOM/XML/images/URLs (including weird ones like data: blobs) supported by every browser.

“we manage it” is doing an insane amount of hiding the complexity there.

[1] https://templates.mailchimp.com/resources/email-client-css-s...

Re: Artemis computer running two instances of MS outlook; they can't figure out why

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Post by sph »

esseph wrote: post #245
papichulo2023 wrote: post #235

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Dude you are on HN no Reddit, most people around here use Linux

I wished I believed this, but it feels closer to 50% Apple, 35% Windows, 15% Linux.

It's probably more like 85% Apple, 10% Linux, 5% Windows.

Re: Artemis computer running two instances of MS outlook; they can't figure out why

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Post by thephyber »

ku1ik wrote: post #300
thephyber wrote: post #243

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Discussion of the MIME part’s encoding as being an inefficient size is missing the forest for the trees. The entire message is (or can be) compressed before transmission (eg. When IMAP has DEFLATE enabled). Just because an intermediate encoding step expands binary to make it text safe doesn’t mean it has to stay uncompressed during the entire existence of that MIMe message.

But without the intermediate encoding step the compression would give a better result.

Find me an example where the Zipped version of a Base64 encoded image was larger than the raw image by more than the length of my comment.

I’ll wait.

Re: Artemis computer running two instances of MS outlook; they can't figure out why

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Post by sph »

lateforwork wrote: post #139
AmVess wrote: post #102

Running Windows in outer space takes some pretty big balls. Gives me a cold sweat just thinking about it.

What should they be using instead? These astronauts are not Linux hackers.

If they were, they'd probably have skipped the mission.

Re: Artemis computer running two instances of MS outlook; they can't figure out why

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Post by thephyber »

autoexec wrote: post #264
thephyber wrote: post #243

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Discussion of the MIME part’s encoding as being an inefficient size is missing the forest for the trees. The entire message is (or can be) compressed before transmission (eg. When IMAP has DEFLATE enabled). Just because an intermediate encoding step expands binary to make it text safe doesn’t mean it has to stay uncompressed during the entire existence of that MIMe message.

If all you need is file transfer even the message header is a lot of overhead (how much overhead depends on the client and how many devices handle the message). Mail servers don't always handle large files very well either. Even if they upload correctly downloading can be difficult. It's not uncommon for a single message with a large attachment to clog a mailbox and prevent other messages from being sent/received. Th…

This is all conjecture.

I’m not arguing for Outlook. I wouldn’t touch that POS unless I was forced to.

But maybe it’s just easier to not have to teach an astronaut to use another app. If they are using Outlook in space, it’s probably the same app and server they use on the ground.

Of course FTP or RSYNC or whatever would be slightly more efficient for the transfer or more capable or retrying / resuming. I’m not arguing that either.

Sometimes it’s more important that the astronaut doesn’t have to learn another app instead/ system.

Sometimes it’s better to choose a less efficient system that is less prone to accidental destructive. It’s not like anybody ever screwed up a sync command and accidentally wiped a directory or anything.[1]

[1] https://www.reddit.com/r/linuxquestions/comments/1kawpyu/rsy...

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