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End of "Chat Control": EU parliament stops mass surveillance

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Re: End of "Chat Control": EU parliament stops mass surveillance

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Yes. I would place it on the authority–liberty axis. While your examples were on the economic left, they were clearly authoritarian.

Yes. I'm very socialist on an economic scale but very liberal on the social scale. It basically embodies what we call progressive these days. Conservatism has redefined itself too. Capitalist on the economic scale, authoritarian on the social one. When it comes to topics like lgbt, abortion, religion, family they don't want freedom. They want to have only the freedom to think like them. That's what we call authoritar…

This is to be expected in a 2-party system like the US.

Since there can only ever be one axis, it must encode all possible issues. And with the strong polarization at the moment, sports team thinking takes over. If you identify with one of the 2 parties, you are expected to agree with the arbitrarily decided position on every single issue, no matter how contradictory.

Re: End of "Chat Control": EU parliament stops mass surveillance

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It seems like an almost never ending hamster wheel of chat control being introduced, voted down, then introduced again in the next session.

That's the problem with modern democracies (it happens in the USA too). They only have to win once and it's law. We have to win every time.

The best defense is often an offense. If we start going on the offensive, and pushing laws that promote privacy, then they also need to start winning every time not to get those pushed. Let's get our act together.

Re: End of "Chat Control": EU parliament stops mass surveillance

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> further procedural steps by EU governments cannot be completely ruled out In a democracy, we don't kill our opposition. If they hold views we don't like, e.g. that security trumps privacy, they're going to litigate them. Probably their whole lives. That means they'll keep bringing up the same ideas. And you'll have to keep defeating them. But there are two corollaries. One: Passing legislation takes as much work as…

It seems to me that "no and don't ask again" should be a possible outcome of a vote on proposed legislation. Without going into full detail on the procedure I'm imagining, such an outcome would bar consideration of equivalent legislation for several years and require a supermajority at several stages of the legislative process to override.

What you propose is totalitarian and not democratic.

Re: End of "Chat Control": EU parliament stops mass surveillance

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Have you ever stopped to wonder why ~26% of the electorate might be angry though? Personally I don't like seeing 100,000+ undocumented young men of fighting age rock up in dinghys on the Kent coastline and get free hotels, food, phones and ultimately housing. Housing is in short supply and the sight of it being reserved for unemployed economic migrants is making me pretty angry.

The housing problem has nothing to do with immigrants and everything with structural mismanagement and prioritisation of the settled middle and upper class who wants to see their house value go up and up. And also their NIMBYism concerns (again, a new housing estate nearby might drop their house value) The amount of housing actually taken by immigrants is minimal and releasing those wouldn't fix anything. Most of the…

Like in any market, housing prices are set by the levels of both supply AND demand.

Supply has increased steadily, approx +200K dwellings per year.

Demand has increased -dramatically- primarily due to mass migration (net +944K people in year ending March 2023).

95% of additional households had a foreign-born Household Reference Person between the years 2010 and 2014. https://committees.parliament.uk/writtenevidence/62910/html/

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