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Palestinian boy, 12, describes how Israeli forces killed his family in car

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Re: Palestinian boy, 12, describes how Israeli forces killed his family in car

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Post by fc417fc802 »

oulipo2 wrote: post #222
jll29 wrote: post #124

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A certain amount of politics should/must be tolerated on HN, because you cannot compartmentalize technology, politics and morality. No-one, not even people who say they like technology but do not care about politics, should be able to live their life wihtout knowing that we live in a world where six-year old blind children are murdered with automatic assault rifles. (For the same reason that no-one should be able to…

Technology IS politics. Technology is a form of control. And in the capitalist system, this control is mostly exerted by private companies, on which the rules of democracy do not apply. There must be guardrails

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Post by karim79 »

Imagine, this is just one of thousands upon thousands of incredibly tragic and similar stories of the last few years (going back much further than October 7th).

Most such stories never see the light of day. Hind Rajab is one such story which got some reasonable exposure [0]. I suppose this one will as well get due exposure at some point.

But the vast majority of similar atrocities will just vanish in the sands of time.

[0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Killing_of_Hind_Rajab

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Post by convolvatron »

pstuart wrote: post #217
apical_dendrite wrote: post #192

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David Simon and others have written extensively for decades about the problems with the Baltimore Police Department, and other departments around the country. They trace these problems back to the war on drugs and other purely American factors. The Amnesty article that you're citing is a post hoc ergo propter hoc fallacy. The Baltimore Police Department did not need to learn about constitutional violations from the I…

Everybody thinks the War on Drugs is about "keeping people safe". It never was, it was always about manufacturing a tool to oppress "others".

from that lens it was almost necessary to invent a pretense since people got all huffy about overt oppression at the end of Jim Crow.

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Post by bhouston »

juliusceasar wrote: post #239
mupuff1234 wrote: post #228

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Pretty sure police brutality was invented way before Israel existed.

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The strong/dominant beating up in the weak is as old as time unfortunately. One doesn’t always have to make that particular comparison as it is a sensitive one. You can point to any major instance of colonization (by whomever) to see similar polices and in the past it was even more brutal because there were no reporters (eg Belgium Free Congo had an estimated population decline of 75% https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atrocities_in_the_Congo_Free_S... .)

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Post by fc417fc802 »

Sparkle-san wrote: post #266
therealdrag0 wrote: post #246

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Why? Everyone has alternative news sources where they can find such stories, and there’s nothing new here. There’s always some tragedy that you could argue deserves more attention, I don’t think we should hold our guidelines hostage to pleas for the heart.

> I don’t think we should hold our guidelines hostage to pleas for the heart. I don't think that's an accurate framing of the situation. It's a single post that enough people decided was worthy of being upvoted to the front page. I think allowing the community to decide is far more inline with the spirit of hacker news than the outright banning a category of posts.

Without taking one side or the other I just want to point out that a large part of the utility of guidelines or rules is that communities left to their own devices typically develop toxic patterns that are detrimental on the whole. They enable the community to decide not to leave something up to the community in the future.

It's a large part of the idea behind countries having constitutions for example.

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Post by fc417fc802 »

dgxyz wrote: post #314
woodpanel wrote: post #190

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Nuking Gaza is an abhorrent position but I don't think there will be any reform out there until there is a decisive win and if I have to pick a side it's not the Palestinians. If the Palestinians win it'll embolden other states or factions to have another go at the six-day war again and possibly prop up break-away action against other factions' host countries. There needs to be a complete and utter defeat that result…

Same thought in reverse. If oppressive regimes see that intentionally backing a population into a corner ultimately lets them get away with genocide on the global stage then presumably more of them will attempt it in the future.

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Post by nailer »

bhouston wrote: post #257
fennecbutt wrote: post #243

Eh, tbh I've given up. Can't point out the terrible things that the IDF are up to without being labelled an apologist, or terrorist supporter, or just getting a massively negative reaction. Now I'm not one to fall prey to the conspiracy theories around Judaism...but like...is it not possible to say that both hamas and the IDF do terrible things? And that innocent civilians are caught in between, with the usual bad fa…

> is it not possible to say that both hamas and the IDF do terrible things? I agree. Hamas and IDF do terrible things - the ICC issued warrants for the leaders of both. This is why an external party has to impose a solution and it should involve in my opinion separation (two-states.) Both parties are radicalized at least for now and need to be separated and allowed to manage their own affairs while allowing the other…

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Post by 0x3f »

JohnMakin wrote: post #111
0x3f wrote: post #20

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Merely that someone died seems to be a tiny fraction of the claims here.

The claim is that the IDF shot his family. Even the IDF does not dispute this. What are you thinking this article is saying?

I'm not sure the IDF has confirmed who was killed, but even so the article goes much further than that. That it was a bad shoot, that the car was stationary, that no warnings were given, that the family did nothing to prompt it, that the IDF weren't legitimately mistaken, that the kid's injury is from the incident, that this kid was even there, that they spent 50+ rounds, that the kid who died has special needs. And more. You can literally just read the article and extract the facts. Those are uncomfirmed save by anecdote.

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Post by nailer »

olelele wrote: post #117

I have followed this conflict since Operation Cast Lead and the beginnings of the siege on Gaza. Israel has been using enormous amounts of force against the Palestinian people since then, with death tolls of _at least_ 100 dead Palestinians for every dead Israeli. For a very good account of life in Israel around the time of Cast Lead I recommend Guy Delisle, brilliant diary in comic form. https://en.wikipedia.org/wik…

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Post by nailer »

fc417fc802 wrote: post #326
dgxyz wrote: post #314

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Nuking Gaza is an abhorrent position but I don't think there will be any reform out there until there is a decisive win and if I have to pick a side it's not the Palestinians. If the Palestinians win it'll embolden other states or factions to have another go at the six-day war again and possibly prop up break-away action against other factions' host countries. There needs to be a complete and utter defeat that result…

Same thought in reverse. If oppressive regimes see that intentionally backing a population into a corner ultimately lets them get away with genocide on the global stage then presumably more of them will attempt it in the future.

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