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I have no doubt isreali forces are responsible for a lot of war crimes. At the same time i see how one they cannot think and feel clearly anymore if your neighbours dream constantly about your elimination. All sides just need to stop with that hatred. It leads to so much pain.
For those wondering, it is verifiable story, it is covered as fact in Israeli newspapers: https://www.timesofisrael.com/israeli-forces-kill-west-bank-... https://www.ynetnews.com/article/p7mq5k5bs The main justification floated is that the car was "going fast" and thus made the undercover Israeli soldiers feel unsafe. The New York Times describes it as such: "Ali Bani Odeh’s wife and four young boys hadn’t seen him i…
A certain amount of politics should/must be tolerated on HN, because you cannot compartmentalize technology, politics and morality. No-one, not even people who say they like technology but do not care about politics, should be able to live their life wihtout knowing that we live in a world where six-year old blind children are murdered with automatic assault rifles. (For the same reason that no-one should be able to…
Technology is a form of control. And in the capitalist system, this control is mostly exerted by private companies, on which the rules of democracy do not apply.
There must be guardrails
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>and unfortunately for us the palestinians political leadership has brought us all into this scenario Simply not true. The plan from the start was to take over the area for jews, see Ben Gurions private letters. Netanyahu has supported Hamas to make sure that Palestine couldn't be politically united to be able to continue taking over the west bank. The power balance has since long been tipped to one side that is engi…
"We must seek agreement and understanding with the Arab people only through the Arab worker, and only an alliance of Jewish and Arab workers will establish and maintain an alliance of the Jewish and Arab peoples in Palestine" That's a Ben Gurion quote, who was a socialist and believed in shared class struggle of Jews and Arabs. The rest of your comment is influenced by other lack of nuance
5 October 1937, Ben-Gurion wrote in a letter to his 16 year old son Amos: “We must expel the Arabs and take their places…. And, if we have to use force-not to dispossess the Arabs of the Negev and Transjordan, but to guarantee our own right to settle in those places- then we have force at our disposal.”
“It is very possible that the Arabs of the neighboring countries will come to their aid against us. But our strength will exceed theirs. Not only because we will be better organized and equipped, but because behind us there stands a still larger force, superior in quantity and quality …the whole younger generation of Jews from Europe and America.” Ben-Gurion, Zichronot [Memoirs], Vol. 4, p.297-299, p. 330-331. See also Teveth, Ben-Gurion and the Palestinian Arabs, p. 182-189
https://www.progressiveisrael.org/ben-gurions-notorious-quot...
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I think the middle eastern conflicts are a tragedy. That said, this story does not belong on HN. As others called out this is a tech community and while there is sometimes an overlap with politics, it should at least be somewhat related like mass surveillance or AI being used for war. HN is one of the most informative and least toxic communities and I’d appreciate if it would stay this way.
As an Israeli, this is an inexcusable crime by IDF soldiers. Appallingly, I expect them to receive no punishment. My country's government is criminally racist.
> IDF soldiers Hopefully, such trigger-happy soldiers are in the minority.
This is incredibly heart breaking, but unfortunately, in war, there are always casualties. This is the grim reality of war.
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The situation in the West Bank (and similar forces are at play in Gaza, too) remind me of what's wrong with American policing, at a far more extreme scale. The people charged with enforcing the peace deploy lethal force with near impunity at the slightest "provocation" (a child throwing a stone, a car driving too fast); I wouldn't be surprised if IDF forces deployed to the West Bank are trained much like American pol…
> I wouldn't be surprised if IDF forces deployed to the West Bank are trained much like American police officers are IDF trains them. https://www.amnestyusa.org/blog/with-whom-are-many-u-s-polic...
I think the middle eastern conflicts are a tragedy. That said, this story does not belong on HN. As others called out this is a tech community and while there is sometimes an overlap with politics, it should at least be somewhat related like mass surveillance or AI being used for war. HN is one of the most informative and least toxic communities and I’d appreciate if it would stay this way.
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