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Hetzner Prices increase 30-40%

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Re: Hetzner Prices increase 30-40%

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Except 40€ a month is extremely poor value for this CPU that's more than a decade old.

8 threads at 3.4 GHz, 8MB cache. Seems fine, depending on your use case.

Measuring CPUs by thread count and clock speed is not a good way to gauge performance. A current gen CPU would be several times faster than this old CPU.

Depending on workload, this old CPU might be as slow as a 2 thread or even 1 thread current gen server.

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> That's not normal market dynamics. It is, in fact, normal market dynamics.

It's normal market dynamics for markets dominated by quasi-monopolies, which is why regulation should have prevented the existence of such markets.

I don't buy that it's because of the monopoly. TSMC has been starting a fab for close to 5 years.

It doesn't matter how many companies are in this market, it takes a real amount of time to add capacity.

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Running a small project on Hetzner from Germany. Got the email this morning. Honestly, even after the increase their dedicated boxes are still absurdly cheap compared to what you'd pay at AWS or GCP for equivalent specs. The real story here isn't Hetzner being greedy. It's that AI companies are vacuuming up every DRAM chip on the planet and the rest of us get to pay the tax. I priced out a RAM upgrade for my home ser…

> It's that AI companies are vacuuming up every DRAM chip on the planet and the rest of us get to pay the tax. DRAM is priced based on supply and demand, like every other market. When demand goes up, the price goes up for everyone. It’s not a “tax” on the rest of us in any sense. There’s just a lot of demand everywhere. > That's not normal market dynamics. This is actually a textbook example of markets functioning in…

Can't agree more. We can also predict with some confidence that in a year or two, supply would have adjusted and ram will be cheaper in the long run. We benefit from the expanded demand even if the fact that it first lands as a shock is disruptive to prices.

Re: Hetzner Prices increase 30-40%

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So prices will need to increase -- if it makes a senior engineer 10x more productive then coding assistants could easily cost 20x-100x more then what they cost today. Same for video generation.

Given that 10x engineers cost in the millions and that movies cost in the hundreds of millions - this is okay! Edit: HN rate limit won't let me reply, so here - I'm saying that hiring ten senior engineer costs millions. (Not a single 10xer - that's such a debated thing anyway, Fabrice Bellard or not.) AI companies will make bank when they've hooked us all on the tools and raise prices. Companies would likely rather p…

> Edit: HN rate limit won't let me reply, so here -

There is a reason for that...

Re: Hetzner Prices increase 30-40%

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But aren't those the same startups that think they need to run on AWS EKS instead of using a single cheap server? The cheapest used Hetzner server currently is €39.24 / month: - Intel Core i7-6700 - 32 GB - 2 x 480 GB Datacenter SSD - 1 GB/s - 20 TB traffic Their VPS are even cheaper. And you can run a lot on this.

Except 40€ a month is extremely poor value for this CPU that's more than a decade old.

If you need more power check out the AX line of dedicated servers: https://www.hetzner.com/dedicated-rootserver/matrix-ax/

Re: Hetzner Prices increase 30-40%

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They're using Arbor, they were cheap for that exact reason.

Now that people don't care about Anti DDoS - this happens.

In the past everyone was leaving Hetzner for the OVH/Voxility due to terrible latency and nonexistent protection.

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Are those plants still functional after CHIPS act was axed? I thought they mainly produce in Asia now.

Well first of all, the CHIPS Act was not "axed", it is federal law passed by an overwhelming bipartisan majority of the House and Senate. It would take a complete reversal of congress to repeal it and it's still very popular among both parties. Where do you get your information from?

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Re: Hetzner Prices increase 30-40%

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post #316

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8 threads at 3.4 GHz, 8MB cache. Seems fine, depending on your use case.

Measuring CPUs by thread count and clock speed is not a good way to gauge performance. A current gen CPU would be several times faster than this old CPU. Depending on workload, this old CPU might be as slow as a 2 thread or even 1 thread current gen server.

It does 8000 CPU marks with 4 cores. Sure Xeon 674X does 83641 with 28 cores. But show me where can you find it for less than 10 times the price? And with 320GB RAM, 10TB of NVMe SSD storage and 10 GBit/s of "unlimited" bandwidth

Re: Hetzner Prices increase 30-40%

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Running a small project on Hetzner from Germany. Got the email this morning. Honestly, even after the increase their dedicated boxes are still absurdly cheap compared to what you'd pay at AWS or GCP for equivalent specs. The real story here isn't Hetzner being greedy. It's that AI companies are vacuuming up every DRAM chip on the planet and the rest of us get to pay the tax. I priced out a RAM upgrade for my home ser…

Hetzner should not be compared to AWS or GCP for pricing. It should be compared to Vultr, Linode or DigitalOcean.
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