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Officials Claim Drone Incursion Led to Shutdown of El Paso Airport

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Millions of dollars of stuck planes and cargo. If it was somebody’s fantasy, it sure was an expensive one - but I’m not sure I want to know what it was if it was a real thing

Probably $Bs. Around 100 flights per day from there, so there would be dozens of planes on the ground.

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post #226

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This is the answer. The cartels would have to be insane to poke that particular bear. They would get crushed like a bug. IIRC they murdered a single US undercover officer in the 90s and the retaliation was so bad that they themselves handed over the perpetrators.

You are right rationality is their strongest character trait.

The cartels are incredibly rational - what they lack are morals and ethics

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> Airline sources told Reuters the grounding of flights was believed to be tied to the Pentagon's use of counterdrone technology to address Mexican drug cartels' use of drones of the U.S.-Mexico border. https://www.reuters.com/world/us/us-halts-all-flights-texass...

This admin is focused on the message of stopping the inflow of drugs to the US. There are probably some true believers, and there are probably some reactionary accelerationists. There’s also significant evidence of amateurism, misinformation, and incompetence. All of that coming together, I see this action coming out of meeting where - one party was convinced that this would solve the fentanyl epidemic - one party wa…

> reactionary

they want to overthrow the Jacobites

> accelerationists

how's that going to work ?

Re: Officials Claim Drone Incursion Led to Shutdown of El Paso Airport

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post #226

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is the answer. The cartels would have to be insane to poke that particular bear. They would get crushed like a bug. IIRC they murdered a single US undercover officer in the 90s and the retaliation was so bad that they themselves handed over the perpetrators.

You are right rationality is their strongest character trait.

Do you have much evidence of them behaving irrationally?

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Closure rescinded https://x.com/FAANews/status/2021583720465969421

The explanation given is that cartel air drones entered US airspace. I guess my question is, doesn't this happen all the time? I would think drones would be an easy way to fly a Kilo over the border to whatever dropspot you wanted. I wonder what the new wrinkle is?

> I guess my question is, doesn't this happen all the time?

Yes, all the time.

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NYT reports they're claiming it was about testing anti-drone tech at Fort Bliss. > The brief shutdown was related to a test of new counter-drone technology by the military at nearby Fort Bliss Army base, according to a person briefed on the matter.

This is ridiculous and patently false. The US is equipped with many bases with permanent air space restrictions where they could perform such tests. It makes less than zero sense to test anti-drone tech in a crowded civilian space. I fully blame incompetence.

Latest update from NYT

> According to a social media post by the Secretary of Transportation, Sean Duffy, Mexican cartel drones breached U.S. airspace, prompting temporary closure of airspace over El Paso. The Defense Department took action to disable the drones, Mr. Duffy said. Another person familiar with the situation had described the cause of the shutdown as a test of anti-drone technology. It is unclear if the brief airport closure was directly related to the presence of drones or how the technology was deployed.

It does not seem implausible or unreasonable to me that an anti-drone system would trigger airspace restrictions when activated. Whether system activation is intended to put out a 10 days block is probably a different issue, but probably related to SOP for an event of unknown duration.

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Closure rescinded https://x.com/FAANews/status/2021583720465969421

WTF? The FAA announces a ban on all flights at an international airport and then withdraws the ban within a few hours of the announcement? What kind of insane police state would try a stunt like that? Even for the Trump administration, that is setting the bar at a new low.

Trump needs to be impeached immediately for this. How dare he close airspace and then just lift that closure once the danger has passed.

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>Sure, but people will just drive to the next closest airport and fly Tell me you've never been to west Texas.

The next closest airport is Juarez, it's like 6 miles away, full fledged international airport. It's a few hours walk at worst.

>The next closest airport is Juarez, it's like 6 miles away

...In Mexico, sure. The closest major US airport to El Paso is Albuquerque or Tucson, 4 hours each.

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post #250

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Not hard to imagine these days? Wouldn't you hope for an intervention if it were known that a hostile, state-level military planned to down civilian aircraft?

What happened after https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Malaysia_Airlines_Flight_17 ?

I had a quick check, and there were zero Americans on board this Malaysian aircraft shot down by a nuclear power over Ukraine, so I don't know how you think it's relevant to an American aircraft full of Americans being shot down in American airspace by cartels immediately on the other side of the American border.

EDIT: Unless you think Malaysia not bombing the Kremlin in retribution is somehow indicative of how America would respond to the situation we're actually talking about.

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