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RAM is so expensive, Samsung won't even sell it to Samsung

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Post by Kirby64 »

SoftTalker wrote: post #160
hnu0847 wrote: post #150

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Don't all RAM manufacturers offer a lifetime warranty? That said, if the shortage gets bad enough then maybe they could find themselves in a situation where they were unable/unwilling to honor warranty claims?

I've never heard of a lifetime warranty on anything in the enterprise space. Maybe consumer stuff, where it's just a marketing gimmick.

Pretty much all consumer RAM vendors offer a lifetime warranty. Not exactly a marketing gimmick.

G.Skill, lifetime warranty: https://www.gskill.com/warranty

Corsair, lifetime warranty: https://help.corsair.com/hc/en-us/articles/360033067832-Warr...

Kingston, lifetime warranty: https://www.kingston.com/en/company/warranty

Teamgroup, lifetime warranty: https://support.teamgroupinc.com/en/support/warranty.php

Re: RAM is so expensive, Samsung won't even sell it to Samsung

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Post by itopaloglu83 »

filloooo wrote: post #203
itopaloglu83 wrote: post #4

The manufacturers are willing to quadruple the prices for the foreseeable future but not change their manufacturing quotes a bit. So much for open markets, somebody must check their books and manufacturing schedules.

Memory chips have always been a very cyclical business, that's why their stock prices remain relatively low despite a windfall happening.

A commodity hardware that’s on the price decline for decades just quadruples in price and nobody makes any form of long term investment or even contracts to take advantage of the situation? It’s more likely to be a collusion than not.

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Post by dotancohen »

silverquiet wrote: post #113
Cerium wrote: post #74

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Don't worry, if you are happy with those specs you can get corporate ewaste dell towers on ebay for low prices. "Dell precision tower", I just saw a listing for 32gb ram, Xeon 3.6ghz for about 300 usd. Personally, at work I use the latest hardware at home I use ewaste.

I got a junk Precision workstation last year as a "polite" home server (it's quiet and doesn't look like industrial equipment, but still has some server-like qualities, particularly the use of ECC RAM). I liked it so much that it ended up becoming my main desktop.

My main desktop is temporarily a Dell server from around 2012 or so. Two were thrown out, each with two 2 GiB sticks of RAM, so I poached the other machine's RAM for a grand total of 8 GiB. I also threw in a small SSD for the / partition (/home is on the old HDD). The thing is dirt slow but I never notice, even YouTube video playback works fine. Even on hardware well over a decade old, Debian runs fine.

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Post by genewitch »

interloxia wrote: post #292
genewitch wrote: post #226

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intel arc b580 (i think that's the latest one) isn't obnoxiously priced but you're going to have to face the fact that your PCIE is really very slow. But it should work. if you want to save even more money get the older Arc Battlemage GPUs. I used one it was comparable with an RTX 3060; i returned it because the machine i was running it in had a bug that was fixed 2 days before i returned it but i didn't know that. I…

Note that some tinkering may be required for modern cards on old systems. - A UEFI DXE driver to enable Resizable BAR on systems which don't support it officially. This provides performance benefits and is even required for Intel Arc GPUs to function optimally. List of working motherboards https://github.com/xCuri0/ReBarUEFI/issues/11

you need to enable rebar even for gaming? i had to enable rebar for pytorch usage (the oneAPI requires it iirc).

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Post by genewitch »

TheAmazingRace wrote: post #308
genewitch wrote: post #226

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intel arc b580 (i think that's the latest one) isn't obnoxiously priced but you're going to have to face the fact that your PCIE is really very slow. But it should work. if you want to save even more money get the older Arc Battlemage GPUs. I used one it was comparable with an RTX 3060; i returned it because the machine i was running it in had a bug that was fixed 2 days before i returned it but i didn't know that. I…

By older Arc, I presume you're referring to Alchemist and not Battlemage in this case. One of my brothers has a PC I built for him, specced out with an Intel Core i5 13400f CPU and an Intel Arc A770 GPU, and it still works great for his needs in 2025. Surely, Battlemage is more efficient and more compatible in some ways over Alchemist. But if you keep your expectations in check, it will do just fine in many scenarios…

yeah i had an A770; it should be ~$200-$250 now on ebay, lightly used. It's, in my opinion, worth about $200, if it's relatively unused. As i mentioned, it's ~= RTX 3060 at least for compute loads, and the 16GB is nice to have for that. But for a computer from the 4th gen i'd probably only get a A380 or A580; the A380 is $60-$120 on ebay.

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Post by minusLik »

SoftTalker wrote: post #160
hnu0847 wrote: post #150

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Don't all RAM manufacturers offer a lifetime warranty? That said, if the shortage gets bad enough then maybe they could find themselves in a situation where they were unable/unwilling to honor warranty claims?

I've never heard of a lifetime warranty on anything in the enterprise space. Maybe consumer stuff, where it's just a marketing gimmick.

Hewlett Packard had a lifetime warranty on their network gear back in the day.

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Post by knallfrosch »

OhMeadhbh wrote: post #305

Or we could go back to using software that didn't require 1 Gb to run the OS / Browser combo powerful enough to run a browser that can load "too much" javascript to enable a webmail interface. In the 80s I ran an early SMTP / POP email client that functioned as a DOS TSR with code and data less than 64k. Granted, it was pretty crappy and was text-only (non MIME.) But there's got to be a middle ground between 64k for…

You have to ship software that behaves exactly the same across three desktop operating systems and two mobile operating systems. Be glad we leave out tablets for this. You're able to hire 4 vibecoding juniors and your deadline is in 6 months.

You know what you choose for a frontend? It's Electron + React and React Native.

And none of your customers will complain because the people with money to spend are rocking 12GB of RAM on their phone.

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Post by ls612 »

kcb wrote: post #318
ls612 wrote: post #301

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You’ve never been able to buy more GPU performance per dollar than you can today.

That's not very encouraging because that statement has been true most every day in computing for the past 50 years. The rate at which the compute per dollar increases is what matters.

Yeah moores law is slowing down for sure. I’m just pushing back on the whole sky is falling doomerism in the PC community. I will admit I’m lucky that my current system with 64GB of memory and a 4090 is likely to be good for years to come so I can wait out the ram shortage.

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Post by n8cpdx »

khannn wrote: post #303
bobsmooth wrote: post #282

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The quintessential out of touch HN comment.

I have friends with kids, have siblings with kids, and indeed did grow up in the US. Ate cereal growing up with maybe some eggs on the weekend. My siblings feed their kids exactly what I described. My friends feed their kids the same. I have no idea how that is out of touch, but I grew up lower-middle class and that's my lived experience.

I grew up similarly but regularly had eggs for breakfast, at least some of the time. Usually on toast. When eggs are cheap, that is competitive with cereal or pop tarts.

I would have hoped that better access to nutrition information would have led to parents making better choices. Absolutely insane that they’re still choosing desserts for breakfast every day instead of high quality Whole Foods like eggs.

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Post by cyanydeez »

OhMeadhbh wrote: post #305

Or we could go back to using software that didn't require 1 Gb to run the OS / Browser combo powerful enough to run a browser that can load "too much" javascript to enable a webmail interface. In the 80s I ran an early SMTP / POP email client that functioned as a DOS TSR with code and data less than 64k. Granted, it was pretty crappy and was text-only (non MIME.) But there's got to be a middle ground between 64k for…

Yo, your comment makes it seem like AI deserves this memory and chrome does not...
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