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Re: RAM is so expensive, Samsung won't even sell it to Samsung

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The Radeon RX 9070 XT performs at a similar level to the RTX 5070, and is retailing around $600 right now.

No CUDA means not an option for me.

> What kinds of applications do you use that require CUDA?

Molecular dynamics simulations, and related structural bio tasks.

Re: RAM is so expensive, Samsung won't even sell it to Samsung

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"The price of eggs has nothing on the price of computer memory right now.". A dozen eggs went to ~$5. They are eggs and most people use what, max 12 eggs a month? Get out of here with that trite garbage. Everyone knew that the egg shortage was due to the extreme step the US does of culling herds infected with avian flu and that they were transitory.

Surprisingly, apparently Americans average 279 eggs per year per person or 24 per month. https://www.washingtonpost.com/business/2019/02/28/why-ameri... (This is not a comment making any judgements about cost or the state of the economy, I was just surprised to find it that high)

cuz eggs are in breakfast sandwiches, are ingredients in pastries, act as binders in things like meatloaf or fried chicken, etc. etc.

Re: RAM is so expensive, Samsung won't even sell it to Samsung

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Sears had horizontal market where all of it did basically the same thing. Samsung is a huge conglomerate of several completely different vertical with lots of redundant components. It makes absolutely no sense to apply the lessons from one into the other.

I think what the GP was referring to was the "new" owner of Sears, who reorganized the company into dozens of independent business units in the early 2010s (IT, HR, apparel, electronics, etc). Not departments, either; full-on internal businesses intended as a microcosm of the free market. Each of these units were then given access to an internal "market" and directed to compete with each other for funding. The idea w…

That was a bullshit separation of a single horizontal cut of the market (all of those segments did consumer retail sales) without overlap.

The part about no overlaps already made it impossible for them to compete. The only "competition" they had was in the sense of TV gameshow competition where candidates do worthless tasks, judged by some arbitrary rules.

That has absolutely no similarity to how Samsung is organized.

Re: RAM is so expensive, Samsung won't even sell it to Samsung

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Apple is going to be even more profitable in the consumer space because of RAM prices ? I feel like they are the only player to have the supply chain locked down enough to not get caught off guard, have good prices locked in enough in advance and suppliers not willing to antagonize such a big customer by backing out of a deal.

>the only player to have the supply chain locked down enough to not get caught off guard What?

Tim Cook is the Supply Chain Guy. He has been for decades, before he ever worked at Apple. He does everything he can to make sure that Apple directly controls as much of the supply chain as possible, and uses the full extent of their influence to get favorable long-term deals on what they don't make themselves.

In the past this has resulted in stuff like Samsung Display sending their best displays to Apple instead of Samsung Mobile.

Re: RAM is so expensive, Samsung won't even sell it to Samsung

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I had planned to build a new workstation this fall, all the parts were in the list. but seeing the ram go from 300€ (96 GB) to 820€, in-stock for 999€, in under a month made me decide that i will continue using that laptop from 2019 for maybe another 1.5 years.

It's a ridiculous situation and these companies, whoever they are, should be somewhat ashamed of themselves for the situation they're putting us in.

That goes specially for those MF at OpenAI who apparently grabbed 40% of the worldwide DRAM production, as well as those sold in stores.

Re: RAM is so expensive, Samsung won't even sell it to Samsung

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Sears had horizontal market where all of it did basically the same thing. Samsung is a huge conglomerate of several completely different vertical with lots of redundant components. It makes absolutely no sense to apply the lessons from one into the other.

Sears had horizontal market where all of it did basically the same thing. Samsung is a huge conglomerate of several completely different vertical with lots of redundant components. Sears was hardly horizontal. It was also Allstate insurance and Discover credit cards, among other things.

Ok. And if it did divide on the borders of insurance and payment services, the reorganization wouldn't have been complete bullshit and may even have been somewhat successful.

Re: RAM is so expensive, Samsung won't even sell it to Samsung

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I really wanted to build a new PC this year, which is obviously not happening anymore. But I do have 2x16GB DDR5 SODIMMs from my laptop that I'm not using, after I upgraded to 64GB a while back. Now I wonder if I can build a tiny PC around those? Does anyone make motherboards that support DDR5 laptop memory?

Re: RAM is so expensive, Samsung won't even sell it to Samsung

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I'm running a box I put together in 2014 with an i5-4460 (3.2ghz), 16 GB of RAM, GeForce 750ti, first gen SSD, ASRock H97M Pro4 motherboard with a reasonable PSU, case and a number of fans. All of that parted out at the time was $700. I've never been more fearful of components breaking than current day. With GPU and now memory prices being crazy, I hope I never have to upgrade. I don't know how but the box is still g…

I am still running an i5 4690k, really all I need is better GPU but those prices are criminal. I wish I got a 4090 when I had the chance rip

Re: RAM is so expensive, Samsung won't even sell it to Samsung

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To me that reads 3x, not "almost 10x". The main differrence here is probably power. A desktop/server is happy to send 15W to the SSD and hundreds of watts to the CPU, while a laptop wants the SSD running in the ~1 watt range and the CPU in the 10s of watts range.

There's over twice as much content in the first test. It's around 3.8gb/s vs 30gb/s if you divide both folder size and both du durations. That makes it 7.9 times faster and I'm comfortable calling this "almost 10 times".

oops. I missed the size diff. that's a solid 8x. that's cool!

Re: RAM is so expensive, Samsung won't even sell it to Samsung

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I'm running a box I put together in 2014 with an i5-4460 (3.2ghz), 16 GB of RAM, GeForce 750ti, first gen SSD, ASRock H97M Pro4 motherboard with a reasonable PSU, case and a number of fans. All of that parted out at the time was $700. I've never been more fearful of components breaking than current day. With GPU and now memory prices being crazy, I hope I never have to upgrade. I don't know how but the box is still g…

Don't all RAM manufacturers offer a lifetime warranty? That said, if the shortage gets bad enough then maybe they could find themselves in a situation where they were unable/unwilling to honor warranty claims?

I've never heard of a lifetime warranty on anything in the enterprise space. Maybe consumer stuff, where it's just a marketing gimmick.
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