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Zig quits GitHub, says Microsoft's AI obsession has ruined the service

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Re: Zig quits GitHub, says Microsoft's AI obsession has ruined the service

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Post by watwut »

kragen wrote: post #276
styanax wrote: post #145

Earlier quoted context omitted.

On the previous HN article, I recall many a comment talking about how they should change this, leave the politics/negative juju out because it was a bad look for the Zig community. It would appear they listened to that feedback, swallowed their ego/pride and did what was best for the Zig community with these edits. I commend them for their actions in doing what's best for the community at the cost of some personal me…

As I see it, someone who "listened to that feedback, swallowed their ego/pride" would include a note at the end of the post about the edits. Admitting you were wrong requires not erasing the evidence of what you said. (He did post a kind of vague apology in https://ziggit.dev/t/migrating-from-github-to-codeberg-zig-p... , but it's ambiguous enough that anyone who was offended is free to read it as either retracting t…

No evidence was erased as the evidence exists.

Re: Zig quits GitHub, says Microsoft's AI obsession has ruined the service

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Post by esafak »

CafeRacer wrote: post #306
sunnyday_002 wrote: post #98

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Surely you just need the workflow to not have embedded logic but call out to a task manager so you can do the same locally?

Well then why 99% of GH Actions functionality even exists.

To lock you in.

Re: Zig quits GitHub, says Microsoft's AI obsession has ruined the service

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Post by watwut »

jack_pp wrote: post #194
testdelacc1 wrote: post #144

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At least he edited it to something more palatable. I vastly prefer someone who can admit to making a mistake and amending what they said to someone who doubles down. The latter attitude has become far too normalised in the last few years.

Is political correctness necessary to have a thriving community / open source project? Linux seems to be doing fine. I wouldn't personally care either way but it is non-obvious to me that the first version would actually hurt the community.

One can avoid being asshole even if it is not strictly speaking necessary. In fact, if you are an asshole when it is not necessary, then you are an asshole.

Re: Zig quits GitHub, says Microsoft's AI obsession has ruined the service

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Post by chongli »

styanax wrote: post #145
brushfoot wrote: post #139

The edit history of the announcement is quite a ride: > [2025-11-27T02:10:07Z] it’s abundantly clear that the talented folks who used to work on the product have moved on to bigger and better things, with the remaining losers eager to inflict some kind of bloated, buggy JavaScript framework on us in the name of progress [1] > [2025-11-27T14:04:47Z] it’s abundantly clear that the talented folks who used to work on the…

On the previous HN article, I recall many a comment talking about how they should change this, leave the politics/negative juju out because it was a bad look for the Zig community. It would appear they listened to that feedback, swallowed their ego/pride and did what was best for the Zig community with these edits. I commend them for their actions in doing what's best for the community at the cost of some personal me…

Thanks for pointing this out! I looked at the edit history and without looking at the timestamps assumed it was in reverse chronological order. Seeing that I was wrong brought a smile to my face.

I appreciate that Andrew and the other Zig team members are really passionate about their project, their goals, and the ideals behind those goals. I was dismayed by the recent news of outbursts which do a lot to undermine their goals. That they’re listening to feedback and trying to take the high road (despite feeling a lot of frustration with the direction industry is taking) should be commended.

Re: Zig quits GitHub, says Microsoft's AI obsession has ruined the service

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Post by esafak »

matrss wrote: post #76
mkornaukhov wrote: post #39

IMHO, the main advantage of github is that it is an ecosystem. This is a well-thought-out Swiss knife: a pioneering (but no longer new) PR system, convenient issues, as well as a well-formed CI system with many developed actions and free runners. In addition, it is best to use code navigation simply in a web browser. You write code, and almost everything works effortlessly. Having a sponsorship system is also great,…

> a pioneering (but no longer new) PR system Having used Forgejo with AGit now, IMO the PR experience on GitHub is not great when trying to contribute to a new project. It's just unnecessarily convoluted.

What do you like most about agit?

Re: Zig quits GitHub, says Microsoft's AI obsession has ruined the service

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Post by fragmede »

snickerbockers wrote: post #281
bryanrasmussen wrote: post #230

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to quote something I said a day ago about AI spotting in the posts of other people: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=46114083 "I think that writing style is more LinkedIn than LLM, the style of people who might get slapped down if they wrote something individual. Much of the world has agreed to sound like machines."

AI witch-hunts are definitely a problem. The only tell you can actually rely on is when the AI says something so incredibly stupid that it not only fails to understand what it is talking about but the very meaning of words themselves. Eg,metaphors that make no sense or fail to contribute any meaningful insight or extrenely cliched phrases ("it was a dark and stormy night...") used seriously rather than for self-depre…

which is unfortunate, because pre-AI, "but what at first seemed to be an innocent night of harmless serial murder quickly turned to something sinister." would just be a funny bit of writing.

Re: Zig quits GitHub, says Microsoft's AI obsession has ruined the service

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Post by catlover76 »

dannersy wrote: post #201
styanax wrote: post #145

Earlier quoted context omitted.

On the previous HN article, I recall many a comment talking about how they should change this, leave the politics/negative juju out because it was a bad look for the Zig community. It would appear they listened to that feedback, swallowed their ego/pride and did what was best for the Zig community with these edits. I commend them for their actions in doing what's best for the community at the cost of some personal me…

I often find we don't appreciate enough people accepting their failures and changing their mind. For some reason I see the opposite: people respecting those who "stick to their guns" or double down when something is clearly wrong. As you say, the context matters and these edits seem to be learning from the feedback rather than saving face since the sentiment stands, just in a less needlessly targeted way.

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Re: Zig quits GitHub, says Microsoft's AI obsession has ruined the service

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Post by ljm »

embedding-shape wrote: post #206
dannersy wrote: post #201

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I often find we don't appreciate enough people accepting their failures and changing their mind. For some reason I see the opposite: people respecting those who "stick to their guns" or double down when something is clearly wrong. As you say, the context matters and these edits seem to be learning from the feedback rather than saving face since the sentiment stands, just in a less needlessly targeted way.

Never understood that either. If someone was wrong and bad, and now they're trying to do right and good, we need to celebrate that. Not just because that's awesome in itself, but also to give the opportunity and incentives for others in the future to do better. If everyone is always bad regardless if they're trying to change, what incentives would they have from changing at all? It doesn't make any sense.

I agree with the sentiment (people changing their minds), but the flipside to that is people pleasing. Someone who capitulates under even the slightest pressure is not much better than the person who is set in their ways.

The trouble there, of course, is that the motivation for changing (or not changing) one's mind is not always clear, and it's easy to score points from spinning it one way or another.

Re: Zig quits GitHub, says Microsoft's AI obsession has ruined the service

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Post by MangoToupe »

eXpl0it3r wrote: post #150
MangoToupe wrote: post #143

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> Maintainers don't want to loose their stars ??? Seriously? > All these things are powerful indicators of quality Not in my experience....

Why are you as surprised? People don't just share their stargazing plots "for fun", but because it has meaning for them.

> People don't just share their stargazing plots "for fun", but because it has meaning for them.

What's the difference?

Re: Zig quits GitHub, says Microsoft's AI obsession has ruined the service

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Post by gorjusborg »

kakwa_ wrote: post #167
jcmfernandes wrote: post #117

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> a well-formed CI system Man :| no. I genuinely understand the convenience of using Actions, but it's a horrible product.

Maybe I have low standards given I've never touched what gitlab or CircleCi have to offer, but compared to my past experiences with Buildbot, Jenkins and Travis, it's miles ahead of these in my opinion. Am I missing a truly better alternative or CI systems simply are all kind of a pita?

I don't enough experience w/ Buildbot or Travis to comment on those, but Jenkins?

I get that it got the job done and was standard at one point, but every single Jenkins instance I've seen in the wild is a steaming pile of ... unpatched, unloved, liability. I've come to understand that it isn't necessarily Jenkins at fault, it's teams 'running' their own infrastructure as an afterthought, coupled with the risk of borking the setup at the 'wrong time', which is always. From my experience this pattern seems nearly universal.

Github actions definitely has its warts and missing features, but I'll take managed build services over Jenkins every time.

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