Broadly speaking, it's a good sign of a healthy democracy that wealthy, powerful people can sometimes still go to prison.
French ex-president Sarkozy begins jail sentence
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Re: French ex-president Sarkozy begins jail sentence
#322Earlier quoted context omitted.
Very few first-world countries have death penalties?
Very few countries in general.
But most of the people live in countries with death penalties. All the top 6 countries by population have death penalty and only 4 out of biggest 17 countries do not have death penalty.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Capital_punishment_by_country#...
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_and_dependen...
Re: French ex-president Sarkozy begins jail sentence
#323Something really scary in France right now is that you can see really clearly how most mainstream media are used for propaganda. Since a few days, there is an abundance of cover and articles in most major newspaper here with propaganda and repeated lies supporting him. It's hard to imagine but non stop. You have everyday interviews of his family saying that it is an injustice, that he did nothing, that the judgement…
And yet he's in jail right?
Not sure how much an impact what you describe is having.
I see non optional and IMO skewed reporting all the time, I'm not sure it is all directed by someone.
Re: French ex-president Sarkozy begins jail sentence
#324Something really scary in France right now is that you can see really clearly how most mainstream media are used for propaganda. Since a few days, there is an abundance of cover and articles in most major newspaper here with propaganda and repeated lies supporting him. It's hard to imagine but non stop. You have everyday interviews of his family saying that it is an injustice, that he did nothing, that the judgement…
That's not the issue. The issue is that there are hundreds , if not thousands, of french politicians who should be in jail. I don't disagree with him going to jail: but it's one heck of a corrupt country where they all have their hands in the cookie jar. Most french politicians who served at the EU, for example, have friends and family as "employees" on their payroll (well, on the EU citizens' payroll). Same at non-E…
France is ultra left-wing ?
Wow, the Overton window must have shifted to the right even more than I thought.
You sound like you actually don’t know much about France. For instance your accusations about left wing media rooting for Sarkozy has no foundation. The judges being biased toward left is groundless as well. Many left wing politicians have been condemned by French justice.
Re: French ex-president Sarkozy begins jail sentence
#325Something really scary in France right now is that you can see really clearly how most mainstream media are used for propaganda. Since a few days, there is an abundance of cover and articles in most major newspaper here with propaganda and repeated lies supporting him. It's hard to imagine but non stop. You have everyday interviews of his family saying that it is an injustice, that he did nothing, that the judgement…
> Since a few days, there is an abundance of cover and articles in most major newspaper here with propaganda and repeated lies supporting him. How much of this is driven by contrarian and counter-cyclical reporting? I’m not familiar with French media, but I see the same pattern in every country where I’ve kept up with the news: Media starts being favorable to a topic when it’s up and coming, switching to being highly…
Thank you so much for this comment - you've put a name ("contrarian and counter-cyclical reporting") on a phenomenon that I've observed a lot and is one of the main reasons I don't consume the media anymore.
The craziest example for me was NYC congestion pricing. When it was about to happen, all the reporting was about all of the downsides of the tolls starting. A week after the New York Governor "indefinitely paused" congestion pricing, the reporting was all about the downsides of the tolls not starting.
Re: French ex-president Sarkozy begins jail sentence
#326Something really scary in France right now is that you can see really clearly how most mainstream media are used for propaganda. Since a few days, there is an abundance of cover and articles in most major newspaper here with propaganda and repeated lies supporting him. It's hard to imagine but non stop. You have everyday interviews of his family saying that it is an injustice, that he did nothing, that the judgement…
Isn't that the case in pretty much every Country to a certain extent though?
Certainly in the anglosphere
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#327Something really scary in France right now is that you can see really clearly how most mainstream media are used for propaganda. Since a few days, there is an abundance of cover and articles in most major newspaper here with propaganda and repeated lies supporting him. It's hard to imagine but non stop. You have everyday interviews of his family saying that it is an injustice, that he did nothing, that the judgement…
Basically Libya would still have been an intact nation with college tuition and free health care if Gadaffi hadn't been so extraordinarily stupid to give money to Sarkozy - who later had him murdered and his nation destroyed via NATO to cover this fact up.
Re: French ex-president Sarkozy begins jail sentence
#328Something really scary in France right now is that you can see really clearly how most mainstream media are used for propaganda. Since a few days, there is an abundance of cover and articles in most major newspaper here with propaganda and repeated lies supporting him. It's hard to imagine but non stop. You have everyday interviews of his family saying that it is an injustice, that he did nothing, that the judgement…
What's crazy to me is seeing this happen at an individual level. In 2022, my conservative family members were reluctantly but firmly on board with the idea that Trump did the crimes: lied to the tax man, stole the classified documents, leaned on the Georgia secretary of state to "find me 11780 votes," and on Jan 6 set up fake electors and asked Pence to overturn the election. In each case, they gave a good fight, but…
I appreciate that you've been willing to do the work in this regard. A major part of the issue is people (lead, in part, by establishment Democrats) absolutely desperate to avoid rocking the boat - really a euphemism for "kicking the can on the social dislocation that's inevitably coming, and all the harder for it".
It's similar to the people who push against unionization for fear of being retaliated against, only to get capriciously laid off during the next cyclical downturn. Seek your justice now, as delay is a form of denial.
Re: French ex-president Sarkozy begins jail sentence
#329Earlier quoted context omitted.
A death sentence would certainly prevent this person from killing another child. (Whether a death sentence is good for society in general is a different question)
It would not be good for a deceased either, especially if they are wrongly convicted.
Indeed, but it would also be not good to be wrongly sentenced to life in prison.
Once inside, chances to get out with a retrial are pretty slim.
Fatal misstakes are bad in any situation.
Re: French ex-president Sarkozy begins jail sentence
#330Something really scary in France right now is that you can see really clearly how most mainstream media are used for propaganda. Since a few days, there is an abundance of cover and articles in most major newspaper here with propaganda and repeated lies supporting him. It's hard to imagine but non stop. You have everyday interviews of his family saying that it is an injustice, that he did nothing, that the judgement…
Basically Libya would still have been an intact nation with college tuition and free health care if Gadaffi hadn't been so extraordinarily stupid to give money to Sarkozy - who later had him murdered and his nation destroyed via NATO to cover this fact up.
Basically this article would still be expanded if Gadaffi was not deposed:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_rights_violations_during...