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Kenvue stock drops on report RFK Jr will link autism to Tylenol during pregnancy

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Re: Kenvue stock drops on report RFK Jr will link autism to Tylenol during pregnancy

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> Yeah my wife is also pregnant and sometimes it is really tough on her but she doesn't use any medication other than baby aspirin for blood pressure. The alternative is exercise, anti-inflammatory foods, and also realizing that it isn't just your body anymore and you can't hurt somebody else's chances for a very small amount of pain relief. It very much is still your wife's body - what other sentient entity is avail…

> what other sentient entity is available for consultation? Surely you don't mean what you imply there? Not being sentient or available for consultation don't justify harming a person. A mother absolutely has a moral responsibility not to cause lifelong harm to the sentient entity her baby will later become. You wouldn't say excess alcohol consumption during pregnancy is only up to the mother's decision about her own…

> You wouldn't say excess alcohol consumption during pregnancy is only up to the mother

That's absolutely the case, though, isn't it? I wasn't aware of any laws that bar pregnant women from buying or consuming alcohol. So it's totally up to them.

Re: Kenvue stock drops on report RFK Jr will link autism to Tylenol during pregnancy

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So in summary: taking 4x the recommended dose of a medication is dangerous? How many other medications would that apply to? Countless, I imagine. That’s why we have dosages on every bottle.

paracetamol is unusual in this respect, that the toxic dose is so close to the therapeutic dose, but the benefits outweigh the risks. after I had dental surgery, I took paracetamol and ibuprofen in alternate doses every 4h - I would have been in screaming pain if I couldn't have both as an option.

Maybe by FDA-type standards, 4x is "close", but to me, I would think it absurd to take 4x the recommended dose of something unless directed to by a doctor.

I was recently prescribed 800mg ibuprofen for an injury, where 200mg is the standard OTC dose, and I even questioned that.

Re: Kenvue stock drops on report RFK Jr will link autism to Tylenol during pregnancy

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There is research correlating autism and mothers taking certain medications (painkillers, antidepressants). Since autism is hereditary, there is a significant chance that these mothers are autistic too. Autistic people have a vastly high risk of depression, and often have unusual pain thresholds, requiring more painkillers. I would not be surprised of the correlation was real, but the direction of action was reversed…

> Since autism is hereditary

Do you have a scientific source for this?

Re: Kenvue stock drops on report RFK Jr will link autism to Tylenol during pregnancy

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Taking 1 gram every couple of hours does NOT seem entirely reasonable when the directions on every Tylenol bottle in the world say to take no more than 1g (2x500mg caps) every FOUR HOURS at most and no more than 4g per 24-hour period. Half the bottle is covered in ominous red warnings about liver damage. It’s like saying jumping on subway tracks when there’s no train is entirely reasonable when there are ample warnin…

Some of y’all have never worked a blue collar job in your lives and it shows.

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Re: Kenvue stock drops on report RFK Jr will link autism to Tylenol during pregnancy

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> That report will also suggest a medicine derived from folate – a water-soluble vitamin – can be used to treat symptoms of the developmental disorder in some people, according to the Journal.

I think folate supplementation is generally already a fairly standard recommendation during pregnancy, since deficiency is linked to significant neural tube defects during pregnancy (eg CDC [1]). It's at least interesting that folate-derived medicines may also treat symptoms.

[1] https://www.cdc.gov/folic-acid/about/index.html#:~:text=Abou...

Re: Kenvue stock drops on report RFK Jr will link autism to Tylenol during pregnancy

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If RFK Jr says it's true, that's how I know it isn't. They go to great lengths to point out they're "using gold-standard science", which also makes me certain they aren't. They can't be, because none of this is about autism or science, it's about pushing their political agenda.

> If RFK Jr says it's true, that's how I know it isn't. And one of the reasons you don't let morons take over your party is that if they ever are right, they won't be believed. If these are actual risks with Tylenol then oops, that take is being lumped in with the antivax hysteria.

> don't let morons take over your party

Oops for sure. Like if someone says school closures won't have an effect on infection rates, not only will you not be believed, you'll be "anti-science", whatever that means.

Re: Kenvue stock drops on report RFK Jr will link autism to Tylenol during pregnancy

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Taking 1 gram every couple of hours does NOT seem entirely reasonable when the directions on every Tylenol bottle in the world say to take no more than 1g (2x500mg caps) every FOUR HOURS at most and no more than 4g per 24-hour period. Half the bottle is covered in ominous red warnings about liver damage. It’s like saying jumping on subway tracks when there’s no train is entirely reasonable when there are ample warnin…

Some of y’all have never worked a blue collar job in your lives and it shows.

No, I haven't, but that doesn't absolve people of their responsibility in actively deciding to chronically overdose on pain meds, if that's what they're doing.

Re: Kenvue stock drops on report RFK Jr will link autism to Tylenol during pregnancy

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If RFK Jr says it's true, that's how I know it isn't. They go to great lengths to point out they're "using gold-standard science", which also makes me certain they aren't. They can't be, because none of this is about autism or science, it's about pushing their political agenda.

Why is he so against medicine?

Same reason he's anti-fish.

Re: Kenvue stock drops on report RFK Jr will link autism to Tylenol during pregnancy

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Was replying to a commented which was downvoted to death entirely unfairly, so I'll paste my reply as a new comment: Paracetamol/acetaminophen (the active ingredient in tylenol) is super toxic to the liver. Lots of people overdose on it, some by accident and some deliberately. As little as FOUR GRAMS can cause jaundice and fuck up your liver. If you have a fever, taking 1 gram every couple of hours might seem entirel…

>Paracetamol/acetaminophen (the active ingredient in tylenol) is super toxic to the liver This is very true. ( and no, he is not exaggerating)

I mean, sure, but the most important part you left out: "if you take 4x the recommended dosage, or take it consistently beyond the recommended period of use".

Lots of drugs are toxic if misused or abused. Acetaminophen is not unique in that regard.

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