NSF has suspended Terry Tao's grant • Hacker News Board

Re: NSF has suspended Terry Tao's grant

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Post by throwaway290 » Fri, Aug 01, 2025, 7:41 PM UTC

lupusreal wrote: post #307

throwaway290 wrote: post #251

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Okay so if I get it correctly they could be kicked out like in the cinema or not, because like I assume regardless of free speech there are rules, but this "cinema" cannot be prosecuted by US gov for NOT kicking a noisy jerk out of it because then it becomes a free speech thing. If taking away grants counts as prosecution? I guess that makes sense.

State schools like UCLA cannot restrict speech in the same way that private organizations could, because they are part of the government. The cinema analogy is therefore spurious.

Oh right. I forgot not all unis are private in the US. Then it makes more sende...

Re: NSF has suspended Terry Tao's grant

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Post by lawlessone » Fri, Aug 01, 2025, 8:18 PM UTC

water9 wrote: post #320

dargscisyhp wrote: post #317

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Yea, but most other immigrants are also far from being that productive.

did he reach his ultimate goal? Cause right now it sounds like he spent millions of dollars and didn’t achieve it

what if we just pretend he's an AI company and give him more shots at it?

Re: NSF has suspended Terry Tao's grant

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Post by mindslight » Fri, Aug 01, 2025, 8:33 PM UTC

fuzzfactor wrote: post #293

sjsdaiuasgdia wrote: post #205

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"Conservatism consists of exactly one proposition, to wit: There must be in-groups whom the law protects but does not bind, alongside out-groups whom the law binds but does not protect."

Nope, that's more like trumpery. Well-recognized for centuries before the current crop of Trumps was even born: https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/trumpery OTOH "Conservatism" is simply the desire to hold on to, or conserve what there currently is, rather than progress toward something different. Whether the progress is for the better or worse or even if anybody knows for sure. Truly the opposite of "progress…

Thank you. We really need to stop letting the fascists/reactionaries cloak themselves in this label of conservative. They're a radical reactionary movement with the main goal of tearing down our societal institutions and effectively destroying America's standing in the world - the polar opposite of conservatism.

Letting them continue to think of themselves as conservative assuages their own cognitive dissonance as to what they're actually supporting. It's plainly dishonest to call all of our institutions corrupt, point to some imagined rosy snapshot of the past 70+ years ago, and then claim you're merely conservative. The conservative slogan would be Keep America Great. Theirs isn't.

Re: NSF has suspended Terry Tao's grant

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Post by DSingularity » Fri, Aug 01, 2025, 8:37 PM UTC

nrclark wrote: post #177

DSingularity wrote: post #161

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Provide evidence from reputable sources. Israeli Jews kill tens of thousands of Palestinian children and we are supposed to care that Zionists feel targeted by the protests on campus? Zionists are literally starving people right now. Do you not get that?

There's a distinction to make between Jewish people and Israel. Jewish people are fine. The Israeli genocide of Gaza is not.

I said Israeli Jews. I didn’t say Jews.

Re: NSF has suspended Terry Tao's grant

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Post by defen » Fri, Aug 01, 2025, 8:41 PM UTC

nulld3v wrote: post #202

zmgsabst wrote: post #95

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Preventing Jews from entering the campus and threatening them are not protected by the 1st Amendment — that’s why UCLA settled the lawsuit for millions, because they had a duty to stop those acts. https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2025/jul/29/ucla-lawsuit...

AFAIK the protestors blocked everybody and did not discriminate. And they occupied only individual buildings or sections of campus, entry into campus as a whole was not restricted.

https://x.com/SiaKordestani/status/1785397163662745610

Private actors were preventing people from entering a public part of campus unless they signaled their "anti-Israel" bonafides. The school allowed this to continue, therefore they implicitly supported it.

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Post by arp242 » Fri, Aug 01, 2025, 8:51 PM UTC

sjsdaiuasgdia wrote: post #209

dcre wrote: post #176

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The answer here usually requires either denial of their presence or arguing that they are in some sense not real Jews because of their political views.

Ben Shapiro is a particularly good example of that 2nd behavior. Loves to call Jews who don't think the same way he does "bad Jews".

"Self-hating Jew" is an old trope. I don't really follow the daily ramblings of Ben Shapiro, but I assume it's basically the same thing?

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Post by throwaway290 » Fri, Aug 01, 2025, 9:01 PM UTC

guelo wrote: post #269

throwaway290 wrote: post #233

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Nice strawman. So how about the actual question which is hostile environment for students? I was downvoted for asking a question and this did not answer it. Edit to reply: what I remember reading was not about saying "end genocide", it was about saying "you are a jew so go die" kind of stuff. It seemed pretty crazy but I didn't save any sources

What about the hostile environment to the students who protested?

What about it? You tell me, I was not there. I literally posted requesting info...

Re: NSF has suspended Terry Tao's grant

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Post by arp242 » Fri, Aug 01, 2025, 9:13 PM UTC

sjsdaiuasgdia wrote: post #219

lotsofpulp wrote: post #191

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The context of this discussion is a university doing what it needs to gain access to money from the federal government. >approximately everyone has rolled over I did not say anything about not criticizing the winner. An "elite" can criticize all they want, but for day to day actions, when the opposing side has all 3 branches of government, willingly given to them by the majority of the population, I can't blame someo…

> more than half the "country" 2024 voting-eligible population: 244.6M Voted for Trump: 77.3M Voted for Harris: 75M Voted for other candidates: 2.6M Eligible to vote, but didn't vote: 90M Unfortunately, the largest constituency continues to be the "can't be fucked to vote" party.

> the largest constituency continues to be the "can't be fucked to vote" party.

It's not that straight-forward as it's not a popular election. Why bother to vote if you live in a deep red or blue state? You can make some sort of abstract argument about civic duty or whatnot, but ... the end result is your vote doesn't matter except for "candidate X got more votes!" type internet arguments.

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Post by ModernMech » Fri, Aug 01, 2025, 9:34 PM UTC

rahimnathwani wrote: post #308

ModernMech wrote: post #288

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Democrats don't actually control those universities though. That's like saying Republicans control churches because churchgoers are more conservative on average. But we all know the Republican party isn't actually directing churches across the country, just as Democrats aren't directing universities. So I don't see what kind of precedent was set as far as use of executive power goes. You're saying because BLM happene…

That's like saying Republicans control churches because churchgoers are more conservative on average. Anyone can walk into a church and become part of the congregation. Universities have gatekeepers.

There are many paths to college, and they require neither membership in nor adherence to ideals professed by the Democratic party. College campuses across America have people from every demographic axis - every race, religion, ethnicity, country, socioeconomic status, etc. Amongst them frequently are conservatives and white men. This is because the gate universities keep is based on merit, not ideology.

Indeed, many Republican congresspeople were accepted into and graduated from prestigious ostensibly "Democrat controlled" institutions, despite their conservative beliefs.

Re: NSF has suspended Terry Tao's grant

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Post by kashunstva » Fri, Aug 01, 2025, 9:57 PM UTC

mensetmanusman wrote: post #21

Background: UCLA violated the Equal Protection Clause of the Fourteenth Amendment and Title VI of the Civil Rights Act of 1964, "by acting with deliberate indifference in creating a hostile educational environment for Jewish and Israeli students." Outcome: These grants are likely in a temporary holding pattern until ucla settles the issue.

> UCLA violated the Equal Protection Clause of the Fourteenth Amendment and Title VI of the Civil Rights Act

Yes, I was just reading that in a DOJ press release authored by known prevaricator AG Pam Bondi.