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China tells its AI leaders to avoid U.S. travel over security concerns

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Post by eastbound »

colordrops wrote: post #259
gyomu wrote: post #63

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The real reason why states are pouring billions into AI isn't to generate silly emoji, help people rewrite their emails, or make a web app without learning how to code. It's for autonomous drone warfare. Invading a neighboring nation doesn't seem too appealing if it means sending tens/hundreds of thousands of your young people (a resource that's getting scarcer and scarcer most everywhere in the world) to the meat gr…

Online propaganda is insanely powerful too. Not sure if many noticed, but the English put out by Chinese teams is often perfect these days.

Online propaganda seems to have been using AI since circa 2020. There’s no way all of those comments were natural, particularly the pro-US ones.

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Post by tokioyoyo »

tw1984 wrote: post #316
tokioyoyo wrote: post #306

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I’m not sure there’s any point in arguing, because everyone’s priorities are subjective. Public safety, convenience, unlimited amount of options for basically anything are stuff that people pay premiums for. I still consider Tokyo superior to T1 Chinese cities, but Shanghai is really not that far behind.

> Public safety, convenience, unlimited amount of options for basically anything are stuff that people pay premiums for. by paying 100 years of local average salary for a modest apartment in a not that desirable location? that is not "pay premiums", that is modem slavery. stop spreading your misinformation, life in China is like the Nightmare mode of DOOM2.

Do you live in China or Asia? Again we’re talking about top talent.

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Post by janalsncm »

BLKNSLVR wrote: post #208
neuralkoi wrote: post #159

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When nations attack each other, often innocent people are the ones that end up suffering.

"When elephants fight, it's the grass that gets trampled" Not sure of the attribution of this quote.

Chinese equivalent: 城门失火，殃及池鱼

(When the city gate burns, fish in the moat suffer disaster.)

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Post by tehjoker »

assimpleaspossi wrote: post #215
tehjoker wrote: post #143

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How about, instead, we call it national security.

Why shouldn't every other nation treat us the same way? Based on our criminal history of invasion, back-stabbing, and genocide should US citizens be banned around the world? Why should the racist "yellow peril" narrative be credible the 1000th time?

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Post by janalsncm »

diebeforei485 wrote: post #297
blindriver wrote: post #68

I worked at a well-known company that told us we couldn't bring any work electronic devices to China, because there was a risk malware could be installed on it. They advised us not to bring any personal electronic devices either, like phones because they could be confiscated at the border and returned with malware installed on it. It makes sense that this happens. I'm curious why they haven't attempted to tighten the…

It's not in their interest to do so. Tesla is the EV leader and exports many vehicle from China to other countries. Additionally, Elon has a direct line to Trump, it makes no sense to burn bridges.

In what sense is Tesla the EV leader? BYD sold 4.3M EVs last year and is up 40% from 2023. Tesla only sold 1.8M and is down from 2023.

From where I’m sitting, Elon is very lucky the US government is protecting his business with tariffs, but that only affects US sales. They haven’t made a new car since 2020 either (cyber truck doesn’t count).

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Post by janalsncm »

somelamer567 wrote: post #224
Fricken wrote: post #216

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The US stole it's IP as well when it was behind. Sam Slater was known as "The Founder of the American Factory System" in the US. In the UK he was known as "Slater the Traitor", because he stole some very important IP. Adam Smith wasn't a big fan of IP either. He was all about owning the means of production. China was taking notes. The dog ate America's homework.

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I think it’s a category error to suggest IP law has anything to do with morals.

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Post by janalsncm »

hustwindmaple1 wrote: post #315
klipt wrote: post #260

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Great public transit. Affordable housing. Huge variety of delicious food. Low crime. People who care enough about the social good to wear masks in crowded places during a pandemic.

Housing is definitely not easily affordable. But the other points are valid.

For top talent it might be.

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Post by powerapple »

somelamer567 wrote: post #224
Fricken wrote: post #216

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The US stole it's IP as well when it was behind. Sam Slater was known as "The Founder of the American Factory System" in the US. In the UK he was known as "Slater the Traitor", because he stole some very important IP. Adam Smith wasn't a big fan of IP either. He was all about owning the means of production. China was taking notes. The dog ate America's homework.

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In my opinion, all developing countries could do it and should do it. You either stay in line or push up, that's the unfortunate fate of developing countries. Rules are not set to protect the poor, they are set to keep poor people in places.

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Post by wordofx »

klipt wrote: post #260
throwawayq3423 wrote: post #123

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> Urban life in China, excluding pandemic times, is better than urban life in the states. What data do you have for this conclusion?

Great public transit. Affordable housing. Huge variety of delicious food. Low crime. People who care enough about the social good to wear masks in crowded places during a pandemic.

600m people in China live in poverty despite claims of the CPC eliminating it. Traveling around China you see this. Showing off main cities is not proof that people don’t live in poverty.

Low crime is simply not true. Most crimes are not reported or swept under the rug as local statistics are reported back to the central government and no one wants to look bad. But wow if you have Weibo you can see some pretty horrible stuff daily before it’s deleted. Nothing worse than seeing 2 woman hacked to death with an axe because of road rage. Cheap food in China comes with a lot of trade offs such as quality. Many shops recycle left over hotpot for the following day. Gutter oil is a real thing. Fake meats or meats from other animals is a real thing.

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Post by powerapple »

tz18 wrote: post #15

No, this is just about keeping people from defecting and taking secrets / cash with them. Many Chinese people working for state controlled companies or similar (schoolteachers were one ridiculous example I think) in super mundane jobs have their passports taken away or exit bans for "national security" reasons.

Can US arrest the head of Chinese startups who have bought banned NVidia chips from the black market? Is buying a crime?
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