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Most iPhone owners see little to no value in Apple Intelligence so far

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Re: Most iPhone owners see little to no value in Apple Intelligence so far

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Post by sebazzz »

pid-1 wrote: post #27
everdrive wrote: post #4

This is emblematic of the LLM race in general. We’re actively pressured to use co-pilot at work, and it’s crammed into every Microsoft product. I’m thankful that my iPhone is old enough not to use LLMs. Companies are afraid of being left behind in the new arms race, but that doesn’t actually mean that the technology actually present use-cases which most people need. (Worse are the meeting summaries or emails which ar…

I've brought MS Copilot licenses for my company in ~ February 2023. They were sold in a yearly commitment and offered no trials. A bad deal, but I was afraid of missing out AI productivity gains. I'm definitely not renewing those. Times are hard and the value provided does not justify the cost. I wonder how many companies will do the same.

In some cases it is useful, like in Excel where it can generate formulas or describe an approach to a problem. Not different than GH Copilot. The same for MS Power Automate editor AI assistent.

But in other cases like Word or Outlook it is just a louzy summarizer and does not have much added value.

Re: Most iPhone owners see little to no value in Apple Intelligence so far

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Post by reilly3000 »

Here is what I want from Apple Intelligence:

Given a user story “I chipped my tooth” I say “hey siri, I just chipped my tooth, can you help me?”

I would want it to: - help me schedule an appointment with my dentist (it could create a reminder, ideally know who my dentist is, even ideally queue up or place a call)

- put that appointment on my home and work calendar

- remind me to tell my manager I need the time away

- help me reschedule any existing appointments

- compose a message to let my partner know

- tell me to try to save the broken bit for my dentist?

At best right now it may give me a Wikipedia entry or make a chipped tooth emoji.

I think Apple started with hardware that can run little LLMs and asked “what can we run on these that people would like?”

They didn’t start with a vision of what novel machine Intelligence feels like for a user, and slowly but thoroughly build a satisfying realization of that new relationship.

I want my phone to want to help me, and keep trying to get better at it. I need it to know when it fails. I want to be empowered to help it get better.

Re: Most iPhone owners see little to no value in Apple Intelligence so far

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Post by llm_nerd »

nottorp wrote: post #318
llm_nerd wrote: post #310

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>if the project is doing something that has been asked a thousand times There are many billions of lines of high-quality, commented code online, covering just about everything. Millions of projects. All of Linux. All of Android. All of PGSQL and SQLite and MySQL and Apache and Git and OpenSSL and countless encryption libraries and countless data tools, video and audio manipulation, and... Every single project is abso…

Yes, you mentioned those things that are documented everywhere. I do use LLMs to give me skeleton code for those parts I'm not familiar with. How about a full equivalent of Qt that is proprietary and has absolutely nothing public in it? How is a LLM going to help with that? There is no public info anywhere. > the absolute cutting edge of AI research No offense but there are billions of public pages about "AI" researc…

>but there are billions of public pages about "AI" research

Billions? For many of the things I am working on there are zero public pages outside of research papers. I said nothing about working with libs. Again, I'm not asking an AI "here's my project now finish it", I'm working with AIs for the countless little programming challenges and needs. Things that mirror things done in many, many other projects, most having nothing to do with my domain.

As an aside, starting that with "no offense" as an attempt to make it insulting is...weird.

I feel like this discussion is taking place ten years ago. The weird reference to StackOverflow is particularly funny.

Re: Most iPhone owners see little to no value in Apple Intelligence so far

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Post by behnamoh »

brookst wrote: post #142
behnamoh wrote: post #84

Earlier quoted context omitted.

3 years ago, I and many people were using GPT-3 on our iPhones and Apple Watches (see for example https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tDB3uIEgU0E&t=36s ). For 3 years I wondered why Apple wouldn't make it a native feature. - Was it because they didn't want to use a third-party AI system? No, because Apple Intelligence uses ChatGPT anyway. - Was it because Apple didn't know how to add AI features to iOS? No, if anything t…

Thanks for the obligatory “Apple is doomed” comment. I get it, and odds are one day it will be true so no harm trotting it out decade after decade, but I don’t think that time is now. - Watch and AirPods have both been incredible successful and were pure Cook-era Apple. Both were first envisioned after Jobs died. - Car was a failure, but it seems odd to criticize Cook for being a mere optimizer when he enthusiastical…

Thanks for misinterpreting my comment. /s

I said Apple is not gonna disappear (i.e., it's not doomed), but it's less and less relevant in the tech space. But you do you.

Re: Most iPhone owners see little to no value in Apple Intelligence so far

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Post by stronglikedan »

everdrive wrote: post #4

This is emblematic of the LLM race in general. We’re actively pressured to use co-pilot at work, and it’s crammed into every Microsoft product. I’m thankful that my iPhone is old enough not to use LLMs. Companies are afraid of being left behind in the new arms race, but that doesn’t actually mean that the technology actually present use-cases which most people need. (Worse are the meeting summaries or emails which ar…

> The summaries are just not very good

That's the fault of the original author, who should have considered that their work may be summarized by AI, and should have written to that audience in the first place. /s

Re: Most iPhone owners see little to no value in Apple Intelligence so far

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Post by pid-1 »

sebazzz wrote: post #321
pid-1 wrote: post #27

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I've brought MS Copilot licenses for my company in ~ February 2023. They were sold in a yearly commitment and offered no trials. A bad deal, but I was afraid of missing out AI productivity gains. I'm definitely not renewing those. Times are hard and the value provided does not justify the cost. I wonder how many companies will do the same.

In some cases it is useful, like in Excel where it can generate formulas or describe an approach to a problem. Not different than GH Copilot. The same for MS Power Automate editor AI assistent. But in other cases like Word or Outlook it is just a louzy summarizer and does not have much added value.

That's surprising. I haven't met a single user who found Copilot useful in Excel.

I've found some that enjoyed using it a "smart auto complete" both in Word and Outlook, however.

Most of my users are financial analysts.

Re: Most iPhone owners see little to no value in Apple Intelligence so far

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Post by jjtheblunt »

core-utility wrote: post #259

The biggest benefit I see so far is the integration of ChatGPT into Siri to answer questions for me while I'm driving instead of giving me "I'm sorry, I can't show you that while driving"

I was going to second your observation: i wonder if the language models are just better than what they had been using, because Siri has become incredibly more accurate recently, in my experience.

Re: Most iPhone owners see little to no value in Apple Intelligence so far

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Post by karaterobot »

I just won't set up Apple Intelligence, just like I've successfully not turned on Siri this whole time. They ask you if you want to turn it on again after certain major updates, but it's really pretty simple to decline. I'm glad, at least, that they don't just turn it on for you, and not let you turn it off, as some companies would.

Re: Most iPhone owners see little to no value in Apple Intelligence so far

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Post by jjtheblunt »

_chu1 wrote: post #267

The Writing Tools are a gimmick, but the improvements to Siri on the iPhone 16 are great. I haven't used the visual intelligence yet, but I always thought Google Lens was cool, so I hope it works just as well. Image Playground and Genmoji are pretty stupid, I have no idea why they wasted time on that. Message/email summaries are super weird. They show up when they want to, which is barely at all. Say what you want ab…

Siri is __way__ better on iPhone 13 pro too, i've noticed. i bet they pushed better language models with software updates, but have not proven such.

Re: Most iPhone owners see little to no value in Apple Intelligence so far

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Post by wizzwizz4 »

Etheryte wrote: post #75
wizzwizz4 wrote: post #50

Earlier quoted context omitted.

LLM-based AI is not needed, or even useful. We know how to make voice interfaces that work, and work well: have done since the 80s. It's just expensive; and it's an expense that nobody in the industry is willing to pay, therefore nobody needs to do it in order to differentiate their product.

What you're missing is that AI solves the expense problem. As the OS vendor you already have an overview and easy access to all interfaces that you expose and it's straightforward to feed that into an integrated AI agent. Add a bit of glue code here and there and a simple implementation is nearly free. Of course, the real value lies in ironing out all the edge cases, but compared to doing all of that manually, it sho…

It's not, because "ironing out all the edge-cases" is orders of magnitude more expensive than just designing a system without edge-cases in the first place. What's cheap is getting away with not bothering: but then you end up with a tech demo, rather than a usable product.
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