Why don’t we just drill into mars and look for fossils? Easy peasy.
Why don't we just teach kids music by having them buy a cheap $3 plastic recorder and simply glue a mic to it that connects to a 13-minute-and-48-second delay line which feeds into to an expensive pair of noise-cancelling headphones that they wear during all practice sessions? Easy peasy. :)
New findings point to an Earth-like environment on ancient Mars
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Re: New findings point to an Earth-like environment on ancient Mars
#322Earlier quoted context omitted.
> By the standards of the Nuremberg trials, he probably should have been tried and convicted. But he was never even accused, because the US wanted his rocket expertise--by the time of the Nuremberg trials, he was already working for the US Army. Absurd. For starters, by the standards of the nuremberg trials, there's no way in hell he would be convicted. For comparison, among the men actually acquitted by the nurembur…
> The nuremberg trials targetted only the very highest level Nazis The initial ones did, but there were subsequent ones targeting entire organizations--one of which was the SS, to which Von Braun belonged.
Those subsequent tribunals were still quite limited, with only about 1600 people being tried. For context, there were over a million members of the SS.
Further, the punishment for most of those convicted in these tribunals was forced labor, so had Von Braun been tried and convicted at that time, odds are he still would have most likely wound up working for the US developing their rockets. So the claim that the US shielded him doesn't really make sense.
Re: New findings point to an Earth-like environment on ancient Mars
#323Earlier quoted context omitted.
I just don't get how anyone can go past the idea that maybe it required freak N amount of specific chemical reactions to happen in a row for the first lifeform and without knowing N the odds could just simply be anything. It seems as if people seem to assume that odds of first life form occuring are high and basically just a matter of time, which doesn't make sense to me.
People go past that idea by noticing that it happened on Earth almost as soon as it possibly could have happened. If we just got incredibly lucky, you'd think the planet would have sat around a while before the big stroke of luck, but it didn't. This is fairly suggestive that abiogenesis is not that unlikely.
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#324Earlier quoted context omitted.
Some of them admit of that and arguably the products would have happened even without sci fi. In some cases these are just marketing stories. I don't ever consume sci fi and I have been able to come up with ideas that someone might have seen in sci fi.
yes yes. you're brilliant. what's these supposed ideas that nobody else has come up with? it ain't braggin' if you can do it. otherwise, you're just some rando on the internet crying about how smart you are.
No, I'm pretty sure a lot of people have came up with the ideas that I have, and irrespective of whether they watched sci-fi or not, as I did not.
I'm not even saying I'm smart or anything. I'm just saying people are capable of coming up with ideas without having anything to do with sci fi.
Re: New findings point to an Earth-like environment on ancient Mars
#325Earlier quoted context omitted.
>But being a rocket scientist during a war isn't a war crime either. How familiar are you with jus ad bellum and jus en bello? Most legal scholars conclude German use of force against the UK was a violation of jus ad bellum and the indiscriminate nature of V-1 and V-2 rockets including their use against civilians was a violation of jus en bello. The Nuremberg Trials were primarily focused on prosecuting individuals w…
> How familiar are you with jus ad bellum and jus en bello? Yeah they're terms of art. When US or British people use them they mean that aggression by English speakers is appropriate (really we should characterise any aggression as fundamentally defensive in nature) but aggression by people using barbarian tongues is inappropriate (if it damages the commercial interests of English speakers it might be better termed a…
>Strong defensive plays by the US in Afghanistan, Iraq or elsewhere…
Do you know the difference between what you referenced above and the Nuremberg Trials from the standpoint of International Law?
Re: New findings point to an Earth-like environment on ancient Mars
#326Earlier quoted context omitted.
The justification at the time for nuking Hiroshima and Nagasaki was field testing two different novel bomb designs .. the urgency came from Germany's surrender and unavailability to use as a test bed and from the rapid depletion of pristine targets in Japan. The H&N bombings followed close on the heels of bombing 72 other cities (including Tokyo) as part of an ongoing HE + incendiary campaign with list of targets. Th…
> The justification at the time for nuking Hiroshima and Nagasaki was field testing two different novel bomb designs That was probably one reason, but by no means the only one, nor even IMO a very significant one (and the article you link to, which is a good one from a good historian whose entire nuclear secrecy blog is worth reading, does not make the claim you are making--it gives a number of justifications that we…
Circling back to at the time, there are copious notes on materials, orders, deployments, and boxes of documentation, and then there is relatively little on the underlying thought given to whether the two bombs should even be used at all. At the time. No shortage of after the fact recollections of course.
While I'm not a historian, more an applied geophysics dabbler, I'm familiar with the material, I've met and talked with Alex Wellerstein, I once interviewed Mark Oliphant, and I've spoken with a number of the technical people who came out for the Emu Fields and Montebello tests.
In the context of an ongoing bombing campaign and truly vast amounts money and resources spent on creating new weapons it's difficult to imagine a scenario in which the bombs would not have been field tested. If that kind of take is a foundation then everthing written becomes bookkeeping and for the record.
In life, where there's momentum politics will often follow rather than lead.
Regardless, I simply have an opinion (well, many and not all consistent with each other) and not a book or a career; I principally enjoy jolting people who have a particular fixed view of many events in history to become aware of wider fields of opinion and to consider how consensus views evolve over time.
Re: New findings point to an Earth-like environment on ancient Mars
#327Earlier quoted context omitted.
> How familiar are you with jus ad bellum and jus en bello? Yeah they're terms of art. When US or British people use them they mean that aggression by English speakers is appropriate (really we should characterise any aggression as fundamentally defensive in nature) but aggression by people using barbarian tongues is inappropriate (if it damages the commercial interests of English speakers it might be better termed a…
They are the two predominate areas of the laws of use of force and armed conflict. >Strong defensive plays by the US in Afghanistan, Iraq or elsewhere… Do you know the difference between what you referenced above and the Nuremberg Trials from the standpoint of International Law?
Re: New findings point to an Earth-like environment on ancient Mars
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> we can speak of them dispassionately, as non-temporal observers Well, we can also speak of Wernher von Braun or even contemporary figures that way. It's only more likely that someone comes along and points out that we shouldn't forget about the context. When we speak of ancient history, the context is already forgotten beyond what has been documented. There are no living witnesses nor people who directly related to…
> However we do speak of them passionately anyway, even if the discussion is less emotional. You bringing up the examples that you brought up is a perfect example. People immediately understand what you mean. Anyone who agrees with you will have to feel passionately about these long past events. I would say an unemotional actor will recognize that those examples are objectively analogical. But that's not really here…
Re: New findings point to an Earth-like environment on ancient Mars
#329I think we can't be certain of the ages of the planets in our solar system. It's based on different things but there's recent uncertainty about the age of the universe, possibly by a factor of two. It's possible the planets in our system are older than we think. Is it also possible they're younger? I'm not an expert on it.
The ages of the planets are figured out by entirely unrelated mechanisms to the age of the universe. One guy putting forward an alternative to LCDM doesn't itself put any doubt on the planets' ages, probably even if he was right.
I find that fascinating: as in imagine what you can do with that gap. All the civilizations that could have existed? Mind bendingly cool! Hahaha! :)