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This was already solved in the past. Don’t just build a web site, build a community. This way the community will advertise the site and attract more users.
How do you build a community if google prevents users from finding it?
Google made me ruin a perfectly good website (2023)
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Re: Google made me ruin a perfectly good website (2023)
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That would have been a good excuse/explanation in the days before Chrome existed. But since Chrome is THE browser, users have a hard time escaping Google. So, GP is right.
Windows is still the most popular desktop / laptop OS, and while it might come with a Chromium browser it defaults to Bing. Users who want Google search need to either change their browser settings, or install a new browser (two things this community claims that no average user would ever do on a platform where the default was Chrome and Google web search). I know it's imperfect, I know it's getting worse, I know it'…
I've been using chromium and firefox side by side at work and play all day for abt 3 years now. Indistinguishable except chromium uses more memory and crashes and hangs. I get hundreds of tabs open in firefox for weeks and months. I reach about 50 before chromium gets lethargic.
I used to do this under ubuntu 18 and 20 with 32GB ram, now under win11 w 64.
I don't understand the Chrome reality distortion field.
Re: Google made me ruin a perfectly good website (2023)
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Google has a monopoly though. Multiple monopolies even. If Google had competition in the ads space, this would be less of an issue, as the author could pick an advertiser that works for their website, rather than contorting their website for google
Tell me more about the advertising potential an alternative advertiser would see in this site? Or to put it another way, what product should this be advertising on this site? Because there are a lot of companies in the world, so of you can identify just one of them, they'll likely pay enough for exclusivity.
Re: Google made me ruin a perfectly good website (2023)
#324Trying to read it and I find it quite ironic that a website called "the luddite" requires you to have Javascript (which I don’t have in my default browser)
Why?
It's almost as ironic as the author of an "anticapitalist tech blog" complaining about the hoops they must jump through to sell their users' attention to one of the largest corporations on Earth.
(FWIW, you can find the real post here: https://theluddite.org/posts/google-ads.html
But you will have to override the encoding if your browser doesn't default to UTF-8.)
Re: Google made me ruin a perfectly good website (2023)
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> When you set an arbitrary cap You can join the US military at 17, why this arbitrary number, why not 16, why not 20?
That’s not what arbitrary means. The age is set as low as possible while still being reasonable as to not send kids to war. Maybe the distinction between the ages 16-17 and 17-18 seems “arbitrary” but there is a reason the age is 17 and not 71. Hence, not arbitrary.
Re: Google made me ruin a perfectly good website (2023)
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> Quite who uses this site is unclear. Isn't that what all the tracking and analytics is supposed to determine? I thought ads were supposed to be tailored to the viewer as much (if not more than) the site. > Conversely Adsense sells ads based on "targeted users". Which means your original site is pretty useless to Adsense. It might have been a fair point, but AI-generated word salad was enough to make this site palat…
Oh, I agree it's still a crappy site for advertising. He gamed the algorithm to get onto the program. Of course getting into adsense isn't the goal, the goal was to make some money. But he didn't have a site worth advertising on before, and he doesn't now. I predict actual revenue will be equally turgid. On the tracking front, sure, I mean I suppose some people go to the site. So it gets some views. I have a road pas…
That's not a fair analogy because the article describes the site like this:
> For years now, the site is consistently the top Google search result for "apportionment calculator," and gets a steady stream of traffic.
Sure, we could do with more specific info, but it sounds very far from "a few cars a day" to me.
Re: Google made me ruin a perfectly good website (2023)
#327Re: Google made me ruin a perfectly good website (2023)
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How might you see solving this problem? How could we distribute the task or goal of curation amongst individuals? How do we incentivize and enable discovery of maven/curators?
I've been through this thought-process many times. 1. Google isn't working well any more. 2. Therefore bring humans back into the system of flagging good and bad pages. 3. But the internet is too big - so we have to distribute the workload. 4. Oh, a distributed trust-based system at scale... it's going to be game-able by people with a financial incentive. 5. Forget it. --- Edit: it's probably worth adding that whoeve…
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Re: Google made me ruin a perfectly good website (2023)
#329The internet is an SEO landfill ( https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=20256764 ) This is a related discussion from about 5 years ago about how SEO is ruining search. Google still seems to have a thick enough skin and a monopoly to get away with crap even after so many years of ruining search.
We need to collectively stop using Google, but the alternatives are just not as good for some things. The best one is probably Kagi, but let's be real: "normal" people would never pay for a search engine service. Well, "normal" people don't even know the difference between Google, Google Chrome and probably the internet.
Re: Google made me ruin a perfectly good website (2023)
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I've been through this thought-process many times. 1. Google isn't working well any more. 2. Therefore bring humans back into the system of flagging good and bad pages. 3. But the internet is too big - so we have to distribute the workload. 4. Oh, a distributed trust-based system at scale... it's going to be game-able by people with a financial incentive. 5. Forget it. --- Edit: it's probably worth adding that whoeve…
> 1. Google isn't working well any more. This is so true. It’s pain to search for anything undeterministic with nowadays. I usually find myself putting double quotes on every single word I’m interested in and Google still brings unrelated results.