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Apple users are being locked out of their Apple IDs with no explanation

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Re: Apple users are being locked out of their Apple IDs with no explanation

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Post by borgbean »

notemaker wrote: post #73

With risk of being spammy, this is probably the most relevant discussion I've seen so far on HN w.r.t my experience of being locked out from my Apple ID. I hope legislation will force Apple to step up and be more transparent / helpful. https://skogsbrus.xyz/dont-put-all-your-apples-in-one-basket...

This is why I don't sign in or enable 'find my' on any of my devices. Apple even has a backdoor which bypasses the encryption, allowing them to wipe a device in store.

Logging in takes control of your device out of your hands.

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Post by beeboobaa3 »

k8svet wrote: post #318
beeboobaa3 wrote: post #300

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That's a funny take. I guess Apple is going to pay my sick leave, then? Buy me the hardware I need to do my "work for them"? No? Weird, guess I'm not working for them at all in any way.

No, you're right, it's actually worse than if you worked for them. Lmao. Really the worst of all worlds. You're dead in the water with out their platform, without their grace, or with all of those things, but their incompetent auth platform.

I'm not sure what your point is, but I 100% agree with you. Apple is awful, and you have to be downright masochistic to develop for their platforms. Thinking you're their employee when you develop for their platform is laughable.

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Post by k8svet »

southerntofu wrote: post #21
a_random_canuck wrote: post #9

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I’m betting they’ve turned on some AI “features” for detecting fraud and it’s not working out as well as promised.

This is exactly what CloudFlare and Google have been doing for a while. i meet so many tech illiterate people who "can't log in to the internet" because of some discouraging CAPTCHA or because Gmail decided that even though they knew their passwords, a phone number they haven't used in 2 years (and has probably been reallocated to someone else) is a better proof of identity. It's a shame it's even legal to discrimina…

Because HN loves to complain about this, I get to repeat it as always. Enroll a real 2fa (totp, security key, passkey) on your account and you will not face any of these issues. There's a reason they do this for insecure accounts and an easy way to avoid it.

I've logged into years-dormant Gmail accounts, from small towns in Mexico on a $2usd Mexican SIM and google has not even batted an eye.

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Post by richardjdare »

newrotik wrote: post #49

Only tangentially related, but I have been trying to enroll for Apple's developer program for almost 3 months now. Understanding what the problem is is essentially impossible. Going to a physical store doesn't help, calling their customer service has them telling you to go to www.apple.com/support (???), and writing for support has them rotate you through 4 different, and decreasingly useful, representatives. The las…

I've had a similar problem trying to renew my Apple developer account. Had it for over 10 years. I had an email a few weeks ago telling me it could not automatically renew (same bank details that worked fine last year). Nothing I could do on their website would make it work. I got hold of someone on their online chat who directed me to the Apple developer forums.

I gave up in the end. But I will have to sort it out before I can release the Mac version of my current project.

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Post by k8svet »

VelesDude wrote: post #168
coldtea wrote: post #92

Remember when you didn't need any fucking online account to use your computer? Pepperidge farm remembers.

Come join us in the free world of Linux (and related systems)... even if the wheel do pop off for like no reason some times.

Nooo, then what will HN do with the multiple-times-a-week and hundreds of comments a month complaints about proprietary systems run by mega tech corps? Seriously I think there were FOUR different "fix"-win11 tools on the frontpage in the last 6 days.

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Post by k8svet »

beeboobaa3 wrote: post #322
k8svet wrote: post #318

Earlier quoted context omitted.

No, you're right, it's actually worse than if you worked for them. Lmao. Really the worst of all worlds. You're dead in the water with out their platform, without their grace, or with all of those things, but their incompetent auth platform.

I'm not sure what your point is, but I 100% agree with you. Apple is awful, and you have to be downright masochistic to develop for their platforms. Thinking you're their employee when you develop for their platform is laughable.

Oh, good reminder for me to watch my tone. My bad.

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Post by EasyMark »

CydeWeys wrote: post #315
layer8 wrote: post #207

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Don't bind your online identity to Apple or Google or Microsoft, in particular not the email addresses you use for accounts. That at least limits the damage they can do.

Fundamentally it's going to be be bound to someone though. If you run your own domain to host your main email address, you're now bound to the registrar's login to manage that domain name, and also the cloud provider you're using to host the mail services (unless you run that off a machine you have physical access to).

If you use your own domain, open source software, and backup often they can't lock you up forever like Google/Microsoft/Apple tho

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Post by notyourwork »

layer8 wrote: post #207
yannis wrote: post #188

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Black swan events can happen to you. Recently I traveled to a European country from my base (Middle East). I normally take my phone and laptop with me and they are synced. I forgot the laptop charger and could not get one locally not at least for about a week and then dropped my phone and it got damaged. I bought another phone (Adroid) and tried to log in to by google accounts. It recognized the email and the pswd bu…

Don't bind your online identity to Apple or Google or Microsoft, in particular not the email addresses you use for accounts. That at least limits the damage they can do.

There really isn’t a good solution for this for the masses, is there?

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Post by HenryBemis »

hedora wrote: post #261
yannis wrote: post #188

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Black swan events can happen to you. Recently I traveled to a European country from my base (Middle East). I normally take my phone and laptop with me and they are synced. I forgot the laptop charger and could not get one locally not at least for about a week and then dropped my phone and it got damaged. I bought another phone (Adroid) and tried to log in to by google accounts. It recognized the email and the pswd bu…

I had a similar experience with google a while back. My conclusion: Eliminate what little remaining usages of their services I have. Doing that with iCloud and Google would be a colossal pain. This event has me thinking more seriously about self-hosting a few more things.

> My conclusion: Eliminate what little remaining usages of their services I have.

This. I never used the Apple's Cloud offerings to backup things - and I stopped using any Apple devices since the BatteryGate. I semi-degooglify my Android(s), and never use the "Google-*" (contacts, calendar, etc.). I block them with NoRoot Firewall and disable them, and use other apps for those services. I sync with my Oulook (2013) and my backup is with Carbonite. I do have to jump through a couple of hoops, but considering that I don't live under the threat of 'death' by Apple or Google to hold me hostage with my data/etc, the little effort is well worth it.

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Post by BiteCode_dev »

yannis wrote: post #188
Handprint4469 wrote: post #160

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I bought an iPhone a couple of days ago, and was planning on using the weekend to finally migrate from my old Android phone. Luckily, I haven't even opened the box so I should be able to return it for a full refund. No way I'm spending over $1000 for this kind of experience.

Black swan events can happen to you. Recently I traveled to a European country from my base (Middle East). I normally take my phone and laptop with me and they are synced. I forgot the laptop charger and could not get one locally not at least for about a week and then dropped my phone and it got damaged. I bought another phone (Adroid) and tried to log in to by google accounts. It recognized the email and the pswd bu…

A google account is not required to use an Android device.

So if you don't tie all your contacts, sync and backup to your google account, you can have a phone that they won't lock you out of.

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