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Breakdown of faults by car brand: Tesla has replaced Dacia at the bottom

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Re: Breakdown of faults by car brand: Tesla has replaced Dacia at the bottom

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Post by croutonwagon »

isoprophlex wrote: post #9

Tesla: "We move fast and don't repair things if they break because there are no service centers" I don't think a messed up suspension can be fixed with an OTA update

I recall, at least some of the early models, using cheap TN panels designed only to last 5-6 years.

However they required multiple thousands to swap (iirc it was 3-5k) and the car was basically non-functional without it.

That is a very hard pass for me.

https://www.thedrive.com/tech/39065/tesla-claims-failing-tou...

https://www.businessinsider.com/tesla-computer-touchscreen-r...

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Post by lawn »

Geisterde wrote: post #299
lawn wrote: post #288

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Which can't be fixed before lvl 5 self-driving.

Cant be? You can take agency over your own life today and start looking at the road. Autopilot is a wonderful tool, I use it every day and it considerably reduces exhaustion, I dont care about this white rabbit of level 5 self driving. The car tells you to watch the road, tesla did their part, if someone causes an accident by not watching the road, they should be held accountable the same as anyone else.

Watching the road simply isn't enough. You need to be alert and ready, which is countered by the system that lulls you into a false sense of security and makes you doze off.

"Tesla did their part" is such a lazy cop out.

Re: Breakdown of faults by car brand: Tesla has replaced Dacia at the bottom

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Post by 01100011 »

JumpCrisscross wrote: post #112
izacus wrote: post #94

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What does your poor choice of ICE cars have to say about Tesla though? Having a crap experience across the board isn't a redeeming feature you think it is.

> What does your poor choice of ICE cars have to say about Tesla though? That one of the tricks Tesla is figuring out is how to cook the books on these figures. I drive an ICE Subaru, and I love it. But some friends visited and didn’t tighten the gas cap once, which put the infotainment system into a fit, which put a bunch of other systems into a conniption, systems totally unrelated like ABS. (?!) The issue persiste…

No fan of Tesla(rented one, hated it), but you have a point. Subaru had two different firmware issues that caused us to be stranded two different times(the battery charge issue and the fuel gauge issue). Both were known issues when we were stranded, but Subaru failed to notify us. I had to go to the dealer and specifically request the firmware updates.

Now, granted, my Subaru has a wonderfully designed interior, doesn't require using a touchscreen, has consistent panel gaps, etc...

Re: Breakdown of faults by car brand: Tesla has replaced Dacia at the bottom

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Post by tzs »

flutas wrote: post #253
seanieb wrote: post #184

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I've had my car for about the same length of time. It is fun to drive when it's working. The first two years were uneventful, but it was evident that the build quality was subpar and the software substandard. And I'm not referring to the entertainment system here, but rather the software that controls the car itself, which falls short compared to my Volvo XC60. The fly-by-wire system lacks the necessary redundancies…

> It took several service appointments and months to convince them otherwise, requiring me to mount a GoPro in my car and dangerously recreate the issue, which randomly occurred after about 45 minutes of cruise control driving. Then post the video and publicly call them out? > It wasn't until I contacted their PR department and threatened to involve the press that they took the matter seriously. This is where ya lose…

> This is where ya lose me... Tesla doesn't have a 'PR department'

He probably means he contacted the email address listed under the heading "Press" on their contact page. At any other company the department that handles that address would be called the PR department.

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Post by robotcapital »

oblio wrote: post #223
nickpp wrote: post #116

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> They move fast and break things. You forgot the third: they (Silicon Valley) also change the world. For the better. Most of my (and my family’s) every day work and fun are coming from SV. I would not give it up for anything else. If occasionally breaking things is the price - I am more than willing to pay it.

There is this paradox of technology where despite a ton of technology it seems that productivity is not shooting up for society as a whole. I'll try to find the article. It looks more like technology is > wealth, which is SUPER scary since technology inherently allows concentration. Facebook killed 1 million newspapers, yay, now 1 American corporation can siphon all those profits to... no one even knows where, since…

The link you pointed to doesn’t have any empirical data and the paper it links to doesn’t seem to load. Regardless, we’re 30 years from the 90s now and if anything it seems like productivity has been accelerating since then (https://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/OPHNFB), arguably because of technology.

Also, what’s the argument for Facebook killing newspapers? Craigslist was siphoning off a main source of newspaper revenue for papers long before Facebook arrived. Would you also argue against the end result of moving on from local classifieds sections?

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Post by fredgrott »

bmitc wrote: post #39

Is this really a surprise? There are physical realities, and a single company can't suddenly reinvent a century of industry experience with some Silicon Valley pixie dust and government subsidies. Tesla, like many startups, is just rediscovering what it takes to build a car and what other companies have already figured out. Bringing a new drivetrain is not enough.

ahem Japanese vehicles in the 1970s and 1980s were beating US car makers in quality and the Japanese auto companies were, get this only, 30 years old!

It does not take a century to match up quality engineering with QA processes than take those inputs and re-make the automation line.

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Post by [deleted] »

janoc wrote: post #234
hmottestad wrote: post #181

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In Norway they revolutionised the car market. They were the very first electric car that people actually wanted to buy. If it hadn’t been for Tesla proving the market for electric cars, I don’t think any other brands would have bothered. So far in 2023 83% of all new cars are electric. In 2022 every fourth car sold (including petrol/diesel) was a Tesla. https://elbil.no/om-elbil/elbilstatistikk/ https://www.elbil24.n…

You forgot the very "unimportant" detail which was that electric cars in Norway were zero VAT and tax for electric cars until this year (normal VAT is 25%). Well, gee, no wonder that people were buying them left and right when the tax discount was about 16-20k NOK per car on average! And that is just buying the car - Norway subsidizes electric mobility in many other ways so even today registering a new electric is ch…

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Post by FredPret »

exitb wrote: post #278
dgellow wrote: post #241

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How is Tesla still considered a startup? It’s a 20 years old company with a 80billion valuation and more than 100k employees Edit: I even missed a zero, it has a 800billion valuation

Their valuation is three times larger than Toyota, yet they manufacture only 10% as much cars a year. It’s still deeply rooted in hopes of future expansion and innovations, lack of which they might not survive.

You’re right that they have a juicy valuation.

But it’s about number of dollars made, not cars.

And on that metric Tesla is on par with GM and ahead of Ford. I don’t know about Toyota.

https://valustox.com/F

https://valustox.com/GM

https://valustox.com/TSLA

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Post by theturtletalks »

vertnerd wrote: post #309
light_hue_1 wrote: post #269

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This is like reading a review of an iphone from an older dedicated blackberry user. It can take a bit to get used to advances in technology. The Tesla UI is the best car UI I've ever used. By far. I would never want to go back. 1. There's zero guessing. The steering wheel touch zones are very nicely marked by bumps. I have never put my finger in the wrong spot. 2. You can configure the steering wheel buttons to do so…

We've been using touchscreens daily for about 15 years now, and I am still enraged by the fundamental stupidity of a UI that puts your fingers on top of the thing you're trying to see, with gestures required that you can only guess at.

Just saw that they put the right and left indicator on the Cybertruck on top of each other on the left side of the steering wheel. Yeah that some really innovative UI. Watch MKBHD’s video on the Cybertruck and you’ll see that they’ve ran out of innovation and are just changing things for the sake of changing them. No rear view camera, driving console on top, no latch for glove compartment, no door handles, etc.

I’m all for innovation, but it just seems like Elon is being a contrarian since none of this improves driving at all. Deep down, it seems like Elon is checking how much he can mess with his loyal base by moving things around and making the driving UX worse. Probably strokes his ego.

Re: Breakdown of faults by car brand: Tesla has replaced Dacia at the bottom

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Post by jabradoodle »

janoc wrote: post #234
hmottestad wrote: post #181

Earlier quoted context omitted.

In Norway they revolutionised the car market. They were the very first electric car that people actually wanted to buy. If it hadn’t been for Tesla proving the market for electric cars, I don’t think any other brands would have bothered. So far in 2023 83% of all new cars are electric. In 2022 every fourth car sold (including petrol/diesel) was a Tesla. https://elbil.no/om-elbil/elbilstatistikk/ https://www.elbil24.n…

You forgot the very "unimportant" detail which was that electric cars in Norway were zero VAT and tax for electric cars until this year (normal VAT is 25%). Well, gee, no wonder that people were buying them left and right when the tax discount was about 16-20k NOK per car on average! And that is just buying the car - Norway subsidizes electric mobility in many other ways so even today registering a new electric is ch…

They did nothing great apart, from being the first new car startup in the US in more than 100 years, with an entirely new business model.

OPs point had nothing to do with wether the government subsidised EVs or not.

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