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Re: US sues eBay for allowing sale of emissions defeat devices

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I am very annoyed by the decision of the EPA to start cracking down, because it's made it impossible to import parts for my track/race cars, even though it's completely legal to do so. Like many things, the market for enthusiasts supported availability and reasonable pricing for the more hardcore enthusiasts.

like what parts... I doubt epa cares about your suspension or non-emission related parts.

Re: US sues eBay for allowing sale of emissions defeat devices

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So we should kill people for loud exhausts? What about the innocent bystander the bike turns into jelly when it is catapulted into the air and lands on them? That energy has to go somewhere…

Ya know, part of the reason cops should enforce the laws on the books is to keep people from going all Batman when they get tired of lawlessness.

Yes because Americans all over are going vigilante and taking justice into their own hands. What world are you living in? The America I live in everyone is too chicken shit to handle things for themselves and when I get to that point I’m not thinking about grappling hooks and going after people with loud exhausts…

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This logic is absurd. Cops are hands off with bikers not because they own bikes. Extrapolating your logic one could say: Cops don’t ticket cars because they also own a car Cops don’t stop people with guns because they also own guns Cops don’t go after bikers because they factor in if the offense is worth the risk, to both themselves and the public. There’s also a whole thing with outlaw motorcycle gangs that plays in…

>doing 200mph within a few seconds It's still kind of amazing to me that race-tuned liter bikes are even legal in the US. Even a starter 250 likely has a faster 0-60 than most cars on the road. I believe you need a little extra power to spare when riding, so that you can suddenly speed up if you need to, but not so much extra power that a quarter-turn on the throttle gets you from 70 to 100 MPH in 1 second. I've hear…

I’ve had a Honda cbr and I’ve been into modified tuner cars my whole life. I have much more experience going fast in cars than on bikes. Everything becomes much bigger at higher speeds. You learn pretty quickly that when you’re doing 150 you don’t make jerky movements with the steering wheel. Tiny, tiny, fluid movements are amplified to become more. You need to anticipate understeer and be able to feel when the ass end is getting squirrelly or is breaking loose. You learn to use the engine compression as a brake assist when trying to slow that mass by 80mph in a 100 foot span. I’m guilty of doing obnoxious and deadly things on the highway in my various drift cars over the years and that’s more than enough for me. I had my bike up to 120 when I owned it and decides squiding out wasn’t something I wanted to risk. The shit I do in cars is more than enough to get the devil looking my way.

Interestingly enough I passed a cop on the highway doing 150 once. He was merging on from the on ramp. I stayed in it thinking I was fucked anyway but to my surprise he took the very next exit and got right back off the highway. There’s no way he didn’t notice me blow past him. The only thing I can think of is he got a priority call or he saw my speed and said fuck this my shift is about over and noped on out of running me down.

Re: US sues eBay for allowing sale of emissions defeat devices

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This logic is absurd. Cops are hands off with bikers not because they own bikes. Extrapolating your logic one could say: Cops don’t ticket cars because they also own a car Cops don’t stop people with guns because they also own guns Cops don’t go after bikers because they factor in if the offense is worth the risk, to both themselves and the public. There’s also a whole thing with outlaw motorcycle gangs that plays in…

> Story: a buddy of mine had a gsxr 1000 and would purposely screw with cops on the freeway ... You can’t temp fate that much and not eventually meet yours. An idiot friend used to do similar (in the UK), then one day he did it and the Police turned up at his house 1 minute after he had stopped and put his bike away. He'd gotten away with it loads of times but this time he did it with a Police helicopter in the air l…

Then you have the video of the challenger hellcat outrunning a helicopter...

https://youtu.be/W9eLpH513po?si=e2vfe_ntQSkduewW

Re: US sues eBay for allowing sale of emissions defeat devices

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Muffler delete is a known cause of misfires. It manifests as a popping sound surrounded by the other shitty sounds produced by such a modified exhaust. We have all heard it. A misfire is raw fuel being expelled.

In my kneck of the woods we call that backfire. A misfire is when something goes wrong in the cylinder such as the spark failing. Misfire can cause backfire, but not all backfire is traced to misfire. A very rich mixture can backfire without misfire.

A backfire is when the exhaust goes back out the air intake. An explosion in the exhaust system is called an afterfire, and is far more common. Most people just say backfire for both, unaware of the other term

Re: US sues eBay for allowing sale of emissions defeat devices

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I understand the reasoning and am all for mitigating pollution. It may be frustrating for consumers when these systems have potential to decrease economy, performance, and reliability while increasing cost and maintenance.

In the case of the DEF it absolutely reduces the lifespan of the engine. A truck engine that could last 500K miles lasts 200K max. Factor a second or third engine (whole new truck) and the energy and pollution to produce it and DEF looks not as great. Vehicles and engines that last 25 years are easy to build yet they are rare outside of commerical and military. The whole argument is disengenuous and proceeds from an…

> The whole argument is disengenuous and proceeds from an unstated a priori desire by government to restrict movement of citizens and markets

What is their motivation for doing this?

Re: US sues eBay for allowing sale of emissions defeat devices

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> Story: a buddy of mine had a gsxr 1000 and would purposely screw with cops on the freeway ... You can’t temp fate that much and not eventually meet yours. An idiot friend used to do similar (in the UK), then one day he did it and the Police turned up at his house 1 minute after he had stopped and put his bike away. He'd gotten away with it loads of times but this time he did it with a Police helicopter in the air l…

Then you have the video of the challenger hellcat outrunning a helicopter... https://youtu.be/W9eLpH513po?si=e2vfe_ntQSkduewW

Interesting link, that said:

A video that opens from a news helicopter and a reporter stating "we've been tracking him for ten minutes" that continues to track for another 3 or four minutes.

The police helicopter pulls off towards the end for lack of fuel .. and the news helicopter says that they are having trouble keeping up (despite having done so for at least 13 minutes).

I'm going to guess this is more a resources ran out thing than a car outran helicopter thing.

( FWiW "The speed of a police helicopter can vary depending on the make and model. However, most police helicopters have a top speed of around 130-145 miles per hour (209-233 kilometers per hour)."

The car was peaking at 110 mph, the helicopters may have been hitting headwinds, even so the statement was explicit that police helicopter had low fuel. )

The police rig was probably easily keeping up - but was low on fuel, the news helicopter likely had less grunt and|or started to exceed budget burn rate | run low on fuel itself.

The follow through on that wasn't given but there's a fair chance the car was tracked down - being distinctive and the police capturing the plates.

Re: US sues eBay for allowing sale of emissions defeat devices

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The manufacturers got sued by the EPA for not actually enforcing the “for track use” only rule. A lot of the big name exhaust companies have stopped producing catless products; and others require all of your information to be on file if you’re buying a catless race downpipe. A lot of the install shops around here in Maryland that run a legit receipt paper trail of work type of business won’t even touch catless instal…

> not actually enforcing the “for track use” only rule How does a manufacturer enforce the use of a device in that way?

They will require you to fill out a waiver saying you that you will use it for offroad use only, and all liability is on you and not them. They will also require you to upload your photo id in order to purchase it.

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Yes. Remove the cat for either a straight pipe, or resonator. HKS silently discontinued their “catless” downpipes in the U.S. around 2021 for mentioned reasons above.

Is is still legal to saw off you cat and weld a length of pipe in? I guess it still is if you can drive 60's cars, so what's the point?

No lol.. This is the EPA's whole argument.

You can't modify the factory emissions output to go below the required output.

People like the Diesel Brothers from the Discovery Channel settled for like $3 million USD with the EPA for selling and promoting emissions defeat devices like tunes and straight pipes.

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