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refurb wrote: post #238
fundad wrote: post #157

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Yes it's pretty plain to see which states are using the law to suppress the rights of many people. Also most suburbs even in blue states are conservative enough, no need to go further MAGA.

Which states? I mean, if you asked me, California’s gun control laws suppress the rights of many people, but I’m guessing you don’t agree? My point is, you have your own political views, but at the same time live in a country with a lot of differing views. You should feel free to live wherever you want but at the same time realize you’ll never find a place that 100% agrees with all your views.

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Post by fundad »

toss1 wrote: post #316
refurb wrote: post #296

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Hand gun roster and red flag laws are two good examples. Allowing the police to seize weapons based on suspicion is unconstitutional. CA only recently started allowing concealed carry after the Supreme Court forced them.

Again, what part of "Well Regulated Militia" do you not understand? None of these would be restrictions under a non-absolutist interpretation ignoring the entire start of the 2A. Granted, this does prevail now after decades of relentless promotion. That does not make it right. Red flag laws are for people who have actually demonstrated their inability to control their own violence. There are a number of incidents of…

It's unconstitutional to regulate a militia.

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Post by seanw444 »

toss1 wrote: post #318
seanw444 wrote: post #307

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There was just a vote in SCOTUS to attempt to put an end to NY and CA's last-ditch attempts to deprive people of obtaining CCW permits without ridiculous requirements and mind boggling wait times. Also, yes, while you may be able to get ARs, you're subject to dumb arbitrary restrictions[1] on what you can put on that AR. And finally, CA and NY are doing their best to ban body armor. That makes me laugh, because now y…

>>deprive people of obtaining CCW permits without ridiculous requirements and mind boggling wait times. Again, in the context of A WELL REGULATED MILITIA, what is the problem with qualifications and a wait time? (yes, if they are actually egregious, it can be an effective ban). Beyond that, what is so mandatory about concealed carry? It is the right to bear arms -in a well-regulated context- not the right of any ment…

The well-regulated militia part is an example of why the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed, not the sole reason for its existence. Also, well-regulated in the context of the time of its passing was "well-equipped and organized." Not our current usage of the word, which means "added layers of bureaucracy and restriction." It makes zero sense to have a militia capable of maintaining a free state that's entirely at the behest of the state it's trying to keep free. For the same reason we laugh at internal investigations: "we launched an internal investigation, and found we did nothing wrong." Otherwise, it's just a second military. Which wasn't the point of it.

It's been ruled this way in the courts, and it's also just kind of obvious if you're reading it with no anti-individual prejudice/bias.

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Post by shjake »

ESTheComposer wrote: post #291
shjake wrote: post #222

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> In 2020 California had more hate crime than Texas Well there were significantly more cases of rape reported in Sweden than in most African or South Asian countries (and I mean up to 40 times more or so…). Something similar might be at play here.

I understand what you’re getting at but 94% of precincts in Texas reported these stats willingly and 97% in California, so I don’t think it’s underreporting.

Is the definition of what constitutes a ‘hate crime’ the same in Texas and California? (Probably one of the main reasons which explain the situation in Sweden)

Are people in Texas just as willing to report it as in California?

etc.

I’m not saying that hate crime is necessarily more prevalent in Texas. I have no clue. It just seems like a weird comparison to make when it’s not that clear you’re not comparing oranges to apples..

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Post by sangnoir »

dumbotron wrote: post #313
sangnoir wrote: post #245

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Cities can compete against each other to attract businesses - no? If businesses can deal with a patchwork of sales taxes and building codes, they can handle other bylaws just fine. These laws have the hallmark signs of a partisan power-grab as they are limited to a number of on red-meat issues.

> Cities can compete against each other to attract businesses - no? We've seen this with Walmarts. They get cities to compete for their stores. Amazon did it for HQ2. The problem is the winner's curse. The winning city will often bid so low they take a net loss.

I mostly agree with you, but let's be honest: this is not the motivating factor for republican state legislatures grabbing power from cities. If it were, the legislatures would be getting rid of tax rebates and tax holidays cities offer to attract businesses, and instead have a uniform tax structure across the whole state for "uniformity"

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Post by dllthomas »

dragonwriter wrote: post #155
bityard wrote: post #78

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Personal politics, IMO, is not a good reason to avoid living in certain areas. I'm a liberal-leaning moderate but many of my favorite people (friends and family) are conservative, and many of my hobbies tend to be populated mainly by the conservative demographic. You'll always find people here and there who won't give you the time of day if you're not on Team Blue or Team Red, but my take on it is, if I can't make fr…

> Personal politics, IMO, is not a good reason to avoid living in certain areas. Policy climate can br a very good reason to avoid living in certain areas. Failure to recognize this in time can be a very bad way to avoid living entirely. > I'm a liberal-leaning moderate but many of my favorite people (friends and family) are conservative, and many of my hobbies tend to be populated mainly by the conservative demograp…

> > Personal politics, IMO, is not a good reason to avoid living in certain areas.

> Policy climate can br a very good reason to avoid living in certain areas.

While there's clearly substantial overlap, I think there can be an important difference between choosing not to live somewhere because your personal politics disagree with the norm there, and choosing not to live somewhere because of the actual impact of the policies that are or may be implemented there.

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Post by toss1 »

seanw444 wrote: post #323
toss1 wrote: post #318

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>>deprive people of obtaining CCW permits without ridiculous requirements and mind boggling wait times. Again, in the context of A WELL REGULATED MILITIA, what is the problem with qualifications and a wait time? (yes, if they are actually egregious, it can be an effective ban). Beyond that, what is so mandatory about concealed carry? It is the right to bear arms -in a well-regulated context- not the right of any ment…

The well-regulated militia part is an example of why the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed , not the sole reason for its existence. Also, well-regulated in the context of the time of its passing was "well-equipped and organized." Not our current usage of the word, which means "added layers of bureaucracy and restriction." It makes zero sense to have a militia capable of maintaining a fr…

Ummm, that's not the definition of a militia.

The definition of a militia is a body of non-professional (ordinary citizen) soldiers not part of the regular army, who stand ready to be called up in an emergency.

Notice the being called up part - the militia is to be SERVING IN and to be UNDER THE COMMAND of the ordinary military hierarchy.

A militia is NOT as you are implying, some kind of batch of citizens ready to raise an insurrection to fight against the army. That is the exact opposite of "being necessary to the security of a free State".

While I'm not for bureaucracy, even the Army has qualification standards of who can join. While militia standards should be lower, we cannot argue that they should be zero, enshrining some "right" for any mentally-incompetent and/or skilled-incompetent person to buy any armament and carry it in any situation.

If you are a sane, competent, and responsible citizen, no one is even proposing a law infringing your right.

(and FTR, I used to argue a "gun control is using two hands" approach. But accumulation of facts and a bit of thinking has changed my mind.)

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Post by AndrewKemendo »

seanw444 wrote: post #312
AndrewKemendo wrote: post #310

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Yours is a naiive position positioning itself as enlightened Firearms are worthless without organization and there is no actual revolutionary force in America even at the seed stage that is approximating anything near even Taliban levels of insurgent capabilities. Your 2A “movement” has neither the coherent holistic political philosophy nor the competent leadership needed to actually create a viable social structure…

It is so weird how you guys belittle those that appreciate 2A as though it's not useful until we have "Taliban-levels of capability and organization" but if we did, you'd immediately cry "insurgency! This is too dangerous for our democracy!" There's no winning with you people. That's why the 2A movement is progressing finally. You're impossible to please.

Difference is, I’ve actually been to war as an active combatant

Also you assume too much about what I would and would not agree with

I’m all for Revolution, but yours is incoherent and disorganized

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Post by prepend »

slg wrote: post #308
prepend wrote: post #254

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> …hostile to them. This is true for a variety of targeted groups including LGBT+ people, ethnic minorities, or even just women I suppose that’s a personal design and a trade off that you and others need to make. I live in a “red state” and am described by several of the groups you mention and don’t feel the government nor community is hostile to me. I think it’s hard to understand beforehand what is hostile and how…

>I suppose that’s a personal design and a trade off that you and others need to make. And that was effectively my point. The comment I replied to stated their opinion that it is universally bad to make this decision on a personal level. My counter did not say it was universally bad for people who belong to any of those groups to live in a red state. I said many people in those groups would feel that the local governm…

My point is that likely GP and others are aware of these concerns and make their decision knowing the consequences, not that they are oblivious due to privilege.

I was trying to communicate that we should assume best intentions and not that someone is stupid and “privileged.” I put privileged in quotes not because it doesn’t exist, it does, but assuming someone’s privilege is not a good idea and few know others well enough to do so.

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Post by seanw444 »

toss1 wrote: post #327
seanw444 wrote: post #323

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The well-regulated militia part is an example of why the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed , not the sole reason for its existence. Also, well-regulated in the context of the time of its passing was "well-equipped and organized." Not our current usage of the word, which means "added layers of bureaucracy and restriction." It makes zero sense to have a militia capable of maintaining a fr…

Ummm, that's not the definition of a militia. The definition of a militia is a body of non-professional (ordinary citizen) soldiers not part of the regular army, who stand ready to be called up in an emergency. Notice the being called up part - the militia is to be SERVING IN and to be UNDER THE COMMAND of the ordinary military hierarchy. A militia is NOT as you are implying, some kind of batch of citizens ready to r…

This country recognizes state-affiliated militias, and independent militias, both in law and court precedent. The state-affiliated militia would effectively be the national guard in modern times. That is not what I am talking about. Nor is it explicitly the kind mentioned in the 2A, which was clearly intentional.

The fall of nearly all great nations of this magnitude in history have been due to internal corruption and decay of the institutions. You don't protect against that with state-affiliated paramilitary organizations. You end up being the one protecting the decayed institutions and corruption. And if you refuse, and join a group of people trying to fight against it, then what? Oh interesting, an independent militia.

Your side's arguments really make the founders sound like idiots. They were not. They considered all of this. And they made a pretty simple and clear statement about it: it's a right of the people, to keep and bear arms. And it shall not be infringed.

If you don't like it, then amend the Constitution. That's how this place was supposed to work. But I guess society has decided we can forgo that step entirely.

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